Able-Bodied Privilege

I'mOneToo · 04-04-2010, 09:39 PM

more corruption in this town than you can shake a stick at. DA so far away and inaccessible, he might as well be on the moon. there is law, and then there is unenforceable/unwillinglawenforcement-people... everybody's got i-dont-give-a-shit-itis.

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Originally Posted by Corkey

Does your town have a DA? If so take it to them. It is after all Law.

Corkey · 04-04-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by I'mOneToo

more corruption in this town than you can shake a stick at. DA so far away and inaccessible, he might as well be on the moon. there is law, and then there is unenforceable/unwillinglawenforcement-people... everybody's got i-dont-give-a-shit-itis.

Ah, then go higher to your states AG. And if you get no response from them try the ACLU.

eta: It's Federal Law folks, don't let anyone from your state blow you off. These are our rights, find the # to the Federal AG and don't stop til you get things fixed.

SuperFemme · 04-04-2010, 10:09 PM

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

Corkey · 04-04-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

As for me no, but then I don't associate those having a mental incapacity with the work fuck, nor tard. To me the word is appropriate for asshats of the fucker persuasion.

Liam · 04-04-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

I wince, every time I see it.

Medusa · 04-04-2010, 11:00 PM

I don't know if I qualify as differently-abled by conventional standards but I am certainly Bipolar and have mobility issues, so here I am.

One thing I have wondered about is where the ADA stands on "reasonable" accommodation. I have wondered lately if requiring larger seating on airplanes, in movie theaters, etc. will eventually become part of the ADA if being obese is eventually deemed a "disability". And also wondering where the line of responsibility begins and ends?

Im particularly thinking about wheelchair ramp requirements, etc. and how that might eventually translate to online stuff.

One example of this: Someone sent me an email on the Admin email for the site and wanted to know when/if we planned to install voice-to-text software for this site because that person had carpal tunnel syndrome and was unable to type.
At this point, it would have to happen on their end but it got me to wondering about who would (should?) be ultimately responsible for accessibility. Im thinking about the article that Adele posted about the guy who was sending letters out to the non-ADA-compliant businesses and how it might work if we received a letter stating we HAD to install the voice-to-text software for sight-impaired folks or folks who couldnt type on this site. What if that software cost $5000?

It would essentially put us out of business.

I get that access shouldnt be about money, but I do understand the fears of small business owners who simply cant afford to do upgrades without jeopardizing their businesses. It makes me wonder if there are government programs out there to help out with these costs.

I'll have to do a little research because, granted, I havent encountered this issue in an online capacity but it is sure to migrate this way at some point. Good posts here!

AtLast · 04-05-2010, 12:35 AM

There is a good voice translation software program (Dragon) that people can install on their computers that have problems with such physical issues. I talk, it writes.... I use it myself as there are times when I just can't type that much when I have a lot of pain going on. It isn't cheap (about $400), but has been a terrific thing in my life! I actually did purchase it while still practicing and was able to include it on my taxes as a deduction.

Because these kinds of programs exist, I am certain that the reasonable accommodation clause of the ADA would not kick in here. also, the site is not publicly owned or operated.

Yup, disability applies to physical, mental/emotional, invisible, neurological, even floating impairment or challenge, or differently-abled and a whole lot of states of being! One more reason the world needs to be more aware of access and accommodation issues! You qualify, Dusa!

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Originally Posted by Medusa

I don't know if I qualify as differently-abled by conventional standards but I am certainly Bipolar and have mobility issues, so here I am.

One thing I have wondered about is where the ADA stands on "reasonable" accommodation. I have wondered lately if requiring larger seating on airplanes, in movie theaters, etc. will eventually become part of the ADA if being obese is eventually deemed a "disability". And also wondering where the line of responsibility begins and ends?

Im particularly thinking about wheelchair ramp requirements, etc. and how that might eventually translate to online stuff.

One example of this: Someone sent me an email on the Admin email for the site and wanted to know when/if we planned to install voice-to-text software for this site because that person had carpal tunnel syndrome and was unable to type.
At this point, it would have to happen on their end but it got me to wondering about who would (should?) be ultimately responsible for accessibility. Im thinking about the article that Adele posted about the guy who was sending letters out to the non-ADA-compliant businesses and how it might work if we received a letter stating we HAD to install the voice-to-text software for sight-impaired folks or folks who couldnt type on this site. What if that software cost $5000?

It would essentially put us out of business.

I get that access shouldnt be about money, but I do understand the fears of small business owners who simply cant afford to do upgrades without jeopardizing their businesses. It makes me wonder if there are government programs out there to help out with these costs.

I'll have to do a little research because, granted, I havent encountered this issue in an online capacity but it is sure to migrate this way at some point. Good posts here!

Andrew, Jr. · 04-05-2010, 06:59 AM

The one thing that really bothers me...and really gets me...is when someone talks down to me. I am not stupid. I process language differently. And I don't need to hold your hand to cross the street, be introduced to strangers, or be given a plate of food when at a bbq, potluck, or whatever. I have my dignity & self-respect. I want that. And as I am aging I am observing that it is going right back to ground zero. The harder I push, the harder society is at stairring, pointing, and belittling. Does anyone else notice this?

Also, fighting the ADA, EEOC, and for other Fed. Gov't rights it's expensive and usually a waste of time. The employer wins out a majority of the time. The employee lacks the money, time, access to legal advice, and so on. Words are just words until you put meaning behind them. I think of the ADA, and the EEOC as just that - a waste of taxpayer money. Very, very few people win out over employers due to money, time, and access to legal advice. It is the laws of nature. Those who thrive - survive, imho.

Diva · 04-04-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

I absolutely cannot STAND it. It is repulsive to me.

Spirit Dancer · 04-04-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

I've no use for that word, and it gripes me everytime I see it.

Medusa · 04-04-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Does it bother anyone else to read the word "fucktard" on our forums?

And no, not a fan of that at all.

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