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[caffeinelover]

Wow!

I'm floored at the comment made.

I identified fully as a lesbian 3 years of my life. I now don't feel the label fits me,one of the reasons being the intolerance I experienced and still do in lesbian space, looking the way I do and not being perceived as femme because not having the visible marks I am supposed to wear to be flagged as such.


During the time I identified 100% as a lesbian, I had butch lovers and this is the time and experience I drew from when responding to the post.

I also put a big warning. If being a lesbian is a woman loving women, as you so defined it, then I am a lesbian at this point and time. However I am also attracted to people who are female-bodied but in between genders. At this point of my life, this is what I like and what I am attracted to. So did I interact with lesbian butch pussy? Yes. Did I identify as a femme lesbian? Yes.
Do I now identify as a femme lesbian? Yes, but not exclusively, because the attraction to trans people and a few ( gasp ) men.

I think, in the future, it would be advisable for people who think talking about a lesbian experience but not identifying as lesbian is unacceptable to say so in the title of their post.

Off to my local lesbian bar!

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[C0LLETTE]

I wish to be clear that this post is not in direct reply to ANY preceding post in particular but rather a general unease about how difficult it is to discuss certain topics and to make a proposal as to why that happens. I doubt any of my theory is original or new to most of you.

Simply, I confess: I am confused.
Seems most folks know what they like (after they've tried it) but problems arise when they give it and themselves a name/label. Not terribly surprising when definition has become a free-for-all and folks insist on the right to make up their own.
Even when terms are largely agreed upon, we bend over backwards to avoid questioning outliers or self definitions that defy logic and/or coherency. We don't want to hurt feelings so we nod supportively at every personal definition even when it seems like babble and serves no communicative purpose except stringing buzz words together.

Am I completely off base? Sometimes it seems to me that there's a cottage industry out there creating ever more convoluted definitions of stuff we already know.

I've been a "lesbian", having sex with women for over 50 years now. For me, it's never been more complicated than that. As for whether they were butch or femme? Lotta times it was too dark to tell.

[C0LLETTE]

It's just occurred to me that I may have completely misunderstood this entire thread. If that's the case, I figure someone will set me straight and till then I ask indulgence.

[TruTexan]

OK first of all this thread was created by me,the OP, for the intent and purpose for lesbian butches and lesbian femmes to discuss lesbian butch pussy without interjection from folks about anything but what the title states. So far we've had several comments made that appear to me to be misogynistic and sexist by folks that don't even ID as lesbian. I"ve not been here much lately and I apologize for that. I have been busy dealing with life in r/t.
Personally I don't have a cock, to me a cock is something I use on my partner that attaches to my body in a strap or is handheld, I don't see it as an extension of myself.I have a pussy and a clit which is NOT a cock to me. Therefore this thread is about Lesbian butch pussy as the title states.

I want this to be a frank and open discussion from folks that ID as lesbian here, about butch pussy, not butch cock or anything else. Please don't start taking this thread into a place that it is NOT intended to go.
Lets keep this thread on track. I think I have said enough.

[TruTexan]

bumping the thread to get read and keep it going for lesbian IDs to interact in.

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by TruTexan

NO, it wasn't started just to meet femmes. Its the name in the title but it was intended to be able to connect with femmes and others to discuss the topic and make connections in that way . I welcome anyone of any ID to come talk about it here in whatever name they wanna call it. Just for me it was a connection to see what other lesbians felt about butch pussy/cunt/cock/however you choose to call it, and to talk freely with others that possibly have been where I've been. Anywho, thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by TruTexan

bumping the thread to get read and keep it going for lesbian IDs to interact in.

TruTexan...I mean no disrespect. My previous post took me too long on my new tablet then I had to try again...in the mean time you posted the above...Now I'm really confused. This is in the Butch Zone and now appears it belongs in the Lesbian Zone.

I am a non-stone Femme that would lavish in giving oral to my Butch or "Gay Female" as I note above, but I seriously do not feel like I belong in your "lesbian circle".

[TruTexan]

Originally Posted by Kenna

TruTexan...I mean no disrespect. My previous post took me too long on my new tablet then I had to try again...in the mean time you posted the above...Now I'm really confused. This is in the Butch Zone and now appears it belongs in the Lesbian Zone.

I am a non-stone Femme that would lavish in giving oral to my Butch or "Gay Female" as I note above, but I seriously do not feel like I belong in your "lesbian circle".

I placed this in in the butch zone because we are lesbian butches here. We ID as both and because we are butch and talking about butch pussy and the femmes that love us it belongs EXACTLY right here where i placed it. Period.
I am the OP and this is where I want the thread to belong because I believe it belongs here because we are talking about lesbianBUTCH PUSSY. Period.
If I had posted in the lesbian zone then someoen like you would probably disturb the flow here and say hey this doesn't belong in the lesbian zone because it's about lesbian BUTCH pussy and lesbian femmes that love us.
I hope you get this and understand it now. I wish not to discuss this matter. It's now a closed matter to me. Thank you.

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by TruTexan

OK first of all this thread was created by me,the OP, for the intent and purpose for lesbian butches and lesbian femmes to discuss lesbian butch pussy without interjection from folks about anything but what the title states. So far we've had several comments made that appear to me to be misogynistic and sexist by folks that don't even ID as lesbian. I"ve not been here much lately and I apologize for that. I have been busy dealing with life in r/t.
Personally I don't have a cock, to me a cock is something I use on my partner that attaches to my body in a strap or is handheld, I don't see it as an extension of myself.I have a pussy and a clit which is NOT a cock to me. Therefore this thread is about Lesbian butch pussy as the title states.

I want this to be a frank and open discussion from folks that ID as lesbian here, about butch pussy, not butch cock or anything else. Please don't start taking this thread into a place that it is NOT intended to go.
Lets keep this thread on track. I think I have said enough.

And in reference to your statement above about people that "do not even ID as lesbian"...unbeknownst to you or others, they may have walked in their life as lesbian at one time or have a hard time claiming that term. Please don't erase them or their journey...or inadvertently make us feel invalid. Just because you don't see them as lesbian, doesn't mean their feelings or previous experience isn't valid to your subject or stories about them as a female\woman having sex with other women,

[TruTexan]

Originally Posted by Kenna

And in reference to your statement above about people that "do not even ID as lesbian"...unbeknownst to you or others, they may have walked in their life as lesbian at one time or have a hard time claiming that term. Please don't erase them or their journey...or inadvertently make us feel invalid. Just because you don't see them as lesbian, doesn't mean their feelings or previous experience isn't valid to your subject or stories about them as a female\woman having sex with other women,

Kenna I am not erasing anyone, it is the fact that lesbian butches that ID as women or female that are being erased here in this thread by male ID coming in a making fun of or misogynistic sexist statements. And why is it that when I want talk openly and freely with other lesbian butches and femmes about butch pussy that they have to come in and interject turn the thread into a butch cock thread? This is not the intent of the original statement I made for the thread. It erases me as a lesbian butch woman when they do that. I dont' have a problem with anyone except those trying to erase the women lesbian butchs in this thread and the femmes that love them and their pussy's. My whole intent and purpose is for those that ID as lesbian butch women and femmes that love us and lesbian butch pussy to be talked about openly. NOT butch cock, that is a male termnology. This is not a male thread to discuss male things in. Anything referring to males should be put into another thread of their own. Thats how i see it. And it's upsetting to those of us that are lesbian woman identified butches that we are contstantly forced to talk about male things in our own threads made for us to comment in and share stories in. I don't go into their threads and post mysogynistic sexist statements about them and try to turn their threaad into a lesbian butch woman thread talking about lesbian butch pussy in a male oriented thread talking about butch cock. Thats how I see it. period. I haven't erased anyone. I have plainly asked that the posts here remain on topic that this is a lesbian butch pussy and lesbian femmes who love us thread and nothing more than that. It's not for male interjection and mysogony and sexist comments to come in here and post. It's very upsetting to me the OP that I have become erased by those comments. period.

[Kobi]

Kenna, you made a valid point. I did not see that the OP invited any id to weigh in on butch pussy. I concede that one.

When I see a title clearly saying lesbian femmes and lesbian butch pussy, it seems like a pretty simple thing to me. It is about women.

Just as you often feel misunderstood and invalidated as a femme, so do those of us who are lesbian butches. We are thrown in with various derivations of male even tho we proudly claim our femaleness and our female bodies. Can you imagine what it feels like to be told a butch is a butch is a butch....male, female, all the same. It sucks.

And, I too, was reluctant to post in this thread because when males invade a space meant for females (unless they want to talk about their pussies) it makes me uncomfortable. It feels very voyeuristic to me and it makes me feel violated both as a female and as a lesbian.

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Kenna, you made a valid point. I did not see that the OP invited any id to weigh in on butch pussy. I concede that one.

When I see a title clearly saying lesbian femmes and lesbian butch pussy, it seems like a pretty simple thing to me. It is about women.

Just as you often feel misunderstood and invalidated as a femme, so do those of us who are lesbian butches. We are thrown in with various derivations of male even tho we proudly claim our femaleness and our female bodies. Can you imagine what it feels like to be told a butch is a butch is a butch....male, female, all the same. It sucks.

And, I too, was reluctant to post in this thread because when males invade a space meant for females (unless they want to talk about their pussies) it makes me uncomfortable. It feels very voyeuristic to me and it makes me feel violated both as a female and as a lesbian.

Thank you very much and kindly, Kobi. I can certainly respect all that has been directed and clarified to me.