In Celebration of Butch Femininity

[Martina]

Originally Posted by Candelion

This isn't much of a celebration of butch femitninity. BUTCHES ROCK!!!

Well, serious threads on similar topics seem to veer into whatever is the site preoccupation or issue of the day. It's inevitable. Some folks try to move them back toward the original intent, but it tends to just kill the thread. Eventually this will die down, and the thread will return to its original purpose.

The idea of butch femininity was bound to bring up a lot, in any case. Yes, there are lots of other gender politics being discussed. From my point of view, so be it.

I dislike it when people get whiplash because someone wants to put the breaks on a conversation for basically formal reasons -- it's not the original topic, for example. If it gets out of hand -- offending and hurting -- then, by all means, stop it. Otherwise, I say, let things go where they go. My opinion.

And the conversation straying a bit does not imply anyone does not think butches rock, if that was part of what you meant.

[C0LLETTE]

So far what I've noticed in reading here is that some people have been offended, even hurt, by what some other people or groups have said. Some friends have been lost, some made; but what I don't see is anyone saying they changed who they were or wanted to be because of what was said. Can make you wonder how deep this all really runs.

On a more personal note:
I started to write a small history of how I came to this site and why I'm still wandering around with bullet holes in my back from my first days here in chat. In the midst of that, I received an email which I'll quote here:

"In my heart I am not a failure or a loser.
Not asking for a magic wand. I get up and wait in county lines for aid or food 4 hours sometimes 6 a day.
I am hungry and hopeless.
Medi-care is causing me to start all over again.My medication i need was denied . I am fighting it and have a state hearing . another nightmare. tirred. i am so tired.
i need help from you, but understand
i liked hearing your voice today"

And that's where I lost my train of thought in this thread.

[imperfect_cupcake]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

So far what I've noticed in reading here is that some people have been offended, even hurt, by what some other people or groups have said. Some friends have been lost, some made; but what I don't see is anyone saying they changed who they were or wanted to be because of what was said. Can make you wonder how deep this all really .

I did.
But I'm really conscious I'm yarping in a butch thread about myself, presently.

[weatherboi]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

So far what I've noticed in reading here is that some people have been offended, even hurt, by what some other people or groups have said. Some friends have been lost, some made; but what I don't see is anyone saying they changed who they were or wanted to be because of what was said. Can make you wonder how deep this all really runs.

On a more personal note:
I started to write a small history of how I came to this site and why I'm still wandering around with bullet holes in my back from my first days here in chat. In the midst of that, I received an email which I'll quote here:

"In my heart I am not a failure or a loser.
Not asking for a magic wand. I get up and wait in county lines for aid or food 4 hours sometimes 6 a day.
I am hungry and hopeless.
Medi-care is causing me to start all over again.My medication i need was denied . I am fighting it and have a state hearing . another nightmare. tirred. i am so tired.
i need help from you, but understand
i liked hearing your voice today"

And that's where I lost my train of thought in this thread.

Are you saying someone asked you for money???

[C0LLETTE]

If that is what you got from my post then I obviously need to stop posting here.

[Candelion]

Originally Posted by Martina

Well, serious threads on similar topics seem to veer into whatever is the site preoccupation or issue of the day. It's inevitable. Some folks try to move them back toward the original intent, but it tends to just kill the thread. Eventually this will die down, and the thread will return to its original purpose.

The idea of butch femininity was bound to bring up a lot, in any case. Yes, there are lots of other gender politics being discussed. From my point of view, so be it.

I dislike it when people get whiplash because someone wants to put the breaks on a conversation for basically formal reasons -- it's not the original topic, for example. If it gets out of hand -- offending and hurting -- then, by all means, stop it. Otherwise, I say, let things go where they go. My opinion.

And the conversation straying a bit does not imply anyone does not think butches rock, if that was part of what you meant.

I don't mind that the conversation strayed. It's a lively discussion. I just wanted to jump in with a celebratory kudos to butches. That's all.