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Old 03-22-2014, 05:35 PM   #1
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If he did in fact die alone at a nursing home then I'm surprised. The documentaries that I've seen done on him and his church showed a rather close knitted family type unit. Very much like a commune. I will say that it gives me a sliver of hope that maybe, just maybe they did not hate as violently as he did but I guess time will tell.

I know a man who is pretty similar to Fred Phelps. Not near as vocal but just as full of hate as you can get. Took me many years and AA program to realize that the anger and hatred I had stored up over the years towards him was only harming myself. If I had let it, it'd turned me into him.

Because of that, I can only pity the man I know and others like him and Fred. To live with such hatred to the point that you have to spew that misery out into the world so that others feel and/or see it. It's like swallowing a pound of ground glass and living with that cutting feeling in the gut. God I'm so glad I don't have to live like that any more.

I just hope his family don't carry on his twisted "tradition". The world is better off without that misery and hate, that much I know.


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If he did in fact die alone at a nursing home then I'm surprised. The documentaries that I've seen done on him and his church showed a rather close knitted family type unit. Very much like a commune. I will say that it gives me a sliver of hope that maybe, just maybe they did not hate as violently as he did but I guess time will tell.

I know a man who is pretty similar to Fred Phelps. Not near as vocal but just as full of hate as you can get. Took me many years and AA program to realize that the anger and hatred I had stored up over the years towards him was only harming myself. If I had let it, it'd turned me into him.

Because of that, I can only pity the man I know and others like him and Fred. To live with such hatred to the point that you have to spew that misery out into the world so that others feel and/or see it. It's like swallowing a pound of ground glass and living with that cutting feeling in the gut. God I'm so glad I don't have to live like that any more.

I just hope his family don't carry on his twisted "tradition". The world is better off without that misery and hate, that much I know.


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Sadly, it seems his family may be even more hateful than he was, if that's even possible. Fred Phelps' son, Nate Phelps, announced that his father had been excommunicated by the Westboro group for advocating that they speak to each other more kindly.
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Sadly, it seems his family may be even more hateful than he was, if that's even possible. Fred Phelps' son, Nate Phelps, announced that his father had been excommunicated by the Westboro group for advocating that they speak to each other more kindly.

wow... just, wow. that is so incredibly sad and unreal.
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"Following Phelps' death Wednesday at age 84, some gay-rights advocates suggested that he and his church created sympathy for lesbians, gays, bisexuals and the transgendered. Religious leaders who oppose gay marriage also said the pastor's tactics clouded the debate over such issues and put them on the defensive in discussing both policy and faith."

"The world lost someone who did a whole lot more for the LGBT community than we realize or understand," said Cathy Renna, a longtime consultant to LGBT groups. "He has brought along allies who are horrified by the hate. So his legacy will be exactly the opposite of what he dreamed."

James Esseks, director of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Project at the American Civil Liberties Union, acknowledged that he eventually saw Phelps' protests as helping his own movement.

"He would show up with his extreme anti-gay views, and a bunch of people in the middle would think, 'If that's what it means to be anti-gay, I want no part of it,'" Esseks said.

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If he did in fact die alone at a nursing home then I'm surprised. The documentaries that I've seen done on him and his church showed a rather close knitted family type unit. Very much like a commune. I will say that it gives me a sliver of hope that maybe, just maybe they did not hate as violently as he did but I guess time will tell.

I know a man who is pretty similar to Fred Phelps. Not near as vocal but just as full of hate as you can get. Took me many years and AA program to realize that the anger and hatred I had stored up over the years towards him was only harming myself. If I had let it, it'd turned me into him.

Because of that, I can only pity the man I know and others like him and Fred. To live with such hatred to the point that you have to spew that misery out into the world so that others feel and/or see it. It's like swallowing a pound of ground glass and living with that cutting feeling in the gut. God I'm so glad I don't have to live like that any more.

I just hope his family don't carry on his twisted "tradition". The world is better off without that misery and hate, that much I know.


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Would it be too much to hope that he took all this hatred with him? Moments like this remind me of a moment in the movie 'The Green Mile' I wonder if there will now be some sort of an infestation of flies that swarm the evil from within him.
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