It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Billy]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

This is a sad thing indeed, to be brown, pulled over, with a law backing up the cops..

I would be terrified..

It's sickening

Sometimes I wonder and I try not to do it often , Where do these people come from and how do they get in the position of power that they are in ....

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Billy

Sometimes I wonder and I try not to do it often , Where do these people come from and how do they get in the position of power that they are in ....

she's only in office because president obama appointed our then-governor, napolitano (a democrat and female, twice elected) as secretary of homeland security. that gave the then-secretary of state jan brewer the office. so basically, bad luck.

[wolfwalker]

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

I have been in 3 car accidents..

None caused by people from other countries..

None had insurance...

So is it safe to say, that this whole hit and run thing is not just an *illegal immigrant* issue, how about it's an ass clown issue?

[wolfwalker]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I have been in 3 car accidents..

None caused by people from other countries..

None had insurance...

So is it safe to say, that this whole hit and run thing is not just an *illegal immigrant* issue, how about it's an ass clown issue?

I can also bet you at least knew the name of the person who hit you and their address.

wolf

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

I can also bet you at least knew the name of the person who hit you and their address.

wolf

In one instance no...

He did not know who he was....

Spoke perfect *legal* resident talk...

The other two, they ran.......

Stolen cars.

*legal* residents

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

Great, so you think this should be handled like North Korea does? Really? They need to be our example?

[Apocalipstic]

Also, a person can't be illegal. They are undocumented, not illegal.

We are speaking of people.

[wolfwalker]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Also, a person can't be illegal. They are undocumented, not illegal.

We are speaking of people.

they are in this country illegally.

wolf

[apretty]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

they are in this country illegally.

wolf

did you miss that part where brown skin is criminalized?

we all have the moral obligation to dis-obey unjust laws (socrates, thoreau, mlk, jr)

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

they are in this country illegally.

wolf

and you and I are queer...

and the same folx wanting the browns to be sniped are the same folks that want you and I..

OUT...

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

Let me ask you a question, I am being really sincere here, did you not notice which countries you were using as an example?

Another question, do you truly want the US to be like those countries?

Haven't we been told time and time again how those countries are evil and how Human Rights, what little is there, are constantly being violated there?

And lastly, I have been in a few accidents with US citizens and some have taken off too, and it was their fault. Damn US citizens!

[DeanRobert]

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

Dude..

No one is attacking you.....

Are we passionate? yes...

Jesus I get so tired of the fucking my friends said I would get attacked *whine*.. No one is picking on you, like you we state our voice and experiences..

Why people are on this site that are back hand warning folks is beyond me.... Why be here then?

end of my fucking rant..

[Apocalipstic]

I certainly am sorry if you or anyone feels attacked because I disagree with you DeanRobert.

But I have to ask, is this therapy? Are we trying to make each other feel good, or are we having a serious discussion here? Is the water too hot?

I agree that boycotting a state is logistically problematic, but I think the point was and is that we are opposed to this obvious example of racial profiling.

My airbags were manufactured in Canada by Union Auto Workers, By the way.

[Queerasfck]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert;94302.

[B

apretty:[/B] You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent.

Awesome, by playing 'guess my girlfriend's race' you made her day. Thank you!

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

OK so I am really trying here. But the underlined part of your post doesn't make any sense to me.

First you said it wasn't met (sic) for us, then you said none of us answered it. Forgive me if I come across as being stupid, I assure you I am not, but I am having problem with your logic there.

Also, as a side note, it seems to me that you want to engage only with apretty, at least this is my observation.

The bold part of your post seems to imply that we, the collective us on this thread, must be a bunch of morons because we and I quote, "just arn't (sic) comprehending what I had said". Truth is I got that loud and clear, along with all the other points you have made.

The red part of your post almost made me flinch, thank God for the ability to walk away and take a breath.

So what if apretty is? To my knowledge she isn't, but what do I know? And if she is, what exactly are you trying to infer with your comment? I really would like to know before I move forward with that piece of your post. I mean REALLY would like to know. Then you go on and ask the same question that I addressed. Clearly you are only interested in eliciting a response from apretty. If that is the case, why not take it elsewhere?

The yellow part of your post doesn't ring true to me. I may be wrong.

The blue part. Really? Are you kidding me? And here I thought we were engaging in a heated conversation. It looks from my side that you are the one who came in here with some sort of agenda. Again, my observation.

And as far as your advice to those who will participate on the boycott, I have to say this:

I have a laptop with a AMD processor, in addition, my nephew who works for Intel says they are manufactured in several places, so what is your point?

As for Tazers, they should be banned, so yay, let's boycott them anyway.

And excuse me for pointing this out, but airbags, like the Intel chip, are also manufactured elsewhere.

I say that if you are truly interested in debate, then come back and engage with us. But if your intentions are to elicit some sort of knee jerk response from apretty, and now some of us, then I say why bother.