It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[apretty]

actually this is the tempe (local) pastor, originally from sacramento that prays that Obama and gays will die. (and to be clear he's got like zero congregation.)

what? you can't believe we've got all this going on in one little state?!

i guess he didn't fit in in california. (what's left of my humor is now *totally* gone--i can't believe they're piggybacking this freak onto the issue at hand...)

more from pastor stevens:

here's one of MANY videos on youtube where he says all the most hateful words against the country and gays and some opposing church, methodists piss him off, apparently. (he wants the death penalty for gays, no i wish i was joking)



like i said, anytime anyone wants to come down and protest the racism, the homophobia, the general state of *arizona* i shall HOST you and yours in my home, so come on down to where the work needs to be done!!

(on the upside we have a sprinkles cupcakes just 2 miles from us, and a barneys!)

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

The Gov. may have just signed this bill but problems in AZ have been going on for quite some time. The *Border Checkpoints* nowhere near the borders are stripping away Fourth Amendment rights from citizens every day.

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Looking forward to more of this bullshit happening, LEGALLY...

How no one can see how this is outright racism I don't know..

Crypt Keeper she is not, he was not real, this scary bitch is... and THAT is worse...

[Hack]

But I have the militia.

And a state constitutional amendment not only banning gay marriage, but also banning domestic partner benefits.

And the Detroit Lions.

So, I think we're even.

Originally Posted by apretty

actually this is the tempe (local) pastor, originally from sacramento that prays that Obama and gays will die. (and to be clear he's got like zero congregation.)

what? you can't believe we've got all this going on in one little state?!

i guess he didn't fit in in california. (what's left of my humor is now *totally* gone--i can't believe they're piggybacking this freak onto the issue at hand...)

more from pastor stevens:

here's one of MANY videos on youtube where he says all the most hateful words against the country and gays and some opposing church, methodists piss him off, apparently. (he wants the death penalty for gays, no i wish i was joking)



like i said, anytime anyone wants to come down and protest the racism, the homophobia, the general state of *arizona* i shall HOST you and yours in my home, so come on down to where the work needs to be done!!

(on the upside we have a sprinkles cupcakes just 2 miles from us, and a barneys!)

[Soon]

Originally Posted by Hack

But I have the militia.

And a state constitutional amendment not only banning gay marriage, but also banning domestic partner benefits.

And the Detroit Lions.

So, I think we're even.

I'll raise you one; my husband's state (FL) is the only one that bans adoptions by gays and lesbians outright.

Bans (of course) civil unions and domestic partnerships. (it seems like over and over they have done this)

And the governor (Crist) is a closet case who married a woman last year.

[Dylan]

What's next?


Little Yellow Stars Sewn On Jackets?,
Dylan

[Toughy]

This kind of racist bullshit masks the real problem. There is more violence around our southern border, more in CA and AZ than NM. Violence caused by drug dealers and human dealers. This shit has little to do with folks coming across the border to find work and a way out of the mind numbing poverty found in certain parts of Mexico and Central/South America.

The current bullshit speaks little about real immigration issues and even less about how to stop the escalating violence due to drug and human trafficking across our southern border.

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by Toughy

This kind of racist bullshit masks the real problem. There is more violence around our southern border, more in CA and AZ than NM. Violence caused by drug dealers and human dealers. This shit has little to do with folks coming across the border to find work and a way out of the mind numbing poverty found in certain parts of Mexico and Central/South America.

Don't forget about our lax gun laws - there's an insane number of gun shops all along the border - it's nice and easy for the drug dealers to pop over and pick up weapons and ammo.

There's a facebook page for the Boycott: linkyloo

DailyKos has an entry with information about a truckers boycott, plus other info and lots of links: linkyloo

[Toughy]

laughin...............

please don't make me go off about gun laws............my brain will explode...........

and mind all of you...........I come from a gun toting animal hunting family........funny thing is..........my family believes in wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.....however none of them believe Obama wants to take our guns and ammo away......not even my brother-in-law's mother, who is a Palin supporter.....

I hope everyone watched Rachael Maddow's special on Tim McVeigh........the true enemy of this country is domestic and not foreign..........

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Toughy

laughin...............

please don't make me go off about gun laws............my brain will explode...........

and mind all of you...........I come from a gun toting animal hunting family........funny thing is..........my family believes in wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment.....however none of them believe Obama wants to take our guns and ammo away......not even my brother-in-law's mother, who is a Palin supporter.....

I hope everyone watched Rachael Maddow's special on Tim McVeigh........the true enemy of this country is domestic and not foreign..........

Yes, saw this special and it really brings your point home!

I have the same kind of background with gun ownership and although I don't own one anymore, I can't think of anyone in my family that thinks Obama want to take guns away either. And, sorry to say, some of them probably support Sarah, too. What you are say here - wait periods, training, licensing, and regulation of ownership of weapons and are firm believers in the 2nd Amendment demonstrates the key differences between the wing-nut zealots and people that are responsible gun owners and are not into stock piling AK-47's, and other assualt weapons, etc.

[leatherfaery]

This bullshit "law" is unconstitutional.


I snipped that because it stood out to me:

SNIP:I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland. End SNIP



Well then who is going to assist mexico or any other country in sending troops here to help us with our violence problem ? We certainly have a huge one.

Believe it or not there are a lot of Mexican Nationals that want nothing to do with the USA. true story.

[friskyfemme]

I am sorry this is the way I wrote this. It is missing some key words (my dyslexia). I will fill in what I neglected to write.
SNIP:I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to aid Mexico in defeating the drug cartels , to organize a refugee program that will allow persons from the targeted areas to relocate here temporarily and the Mexican government to repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the relocated familes will return to their homeland. End SNIP

I am not suggesting this is THE answer. I do believe in the power of the people. I do believe in humanity wanting to help each other. I don't think Boycotting Arizona is the answer. It will only hurt the underemployed, unpaid majority who is struggling to support themselves and their familes here in AZ and south of our border.

Sincerely, I hope that people do get involved. I look forward to positive resolutions.

[leatherfaery]

friskyfemme,
I applaud your thoughts on how to deal with this issue although I don't agree, for several reasons. I do think in order to move forward these kinds of conversations need to occur and I appreciated your clarification.

I am still in shock about this and everytime some crap assed idiotic legislation gets barreled through I get alarmed about what will happen next and what groups are going to be the target cuz we ( collective) queers are a dice roll away from shit like this.

Again, thanks for taking the time to clarify.

LF

[Rockinonahigh]

Corkey..we have sent troops many place over the years for way less that whats going on in mexico...look where we are now!! The two wars that the Bush legacy left us in,that we are still fighting and prolly will for a long time yet.Why not help Mexico fight the cartells and other crime thats effecting both our nations.NO,I dont want us in a other war, but we should help some how at least better than we are doing now.I know if my family was in harms way I would be getting out to somewhere safe..wouldnt you?

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Toughy

This kind of racist bullshit masks the real problem. There is more violence around our southern border, more in CA and AZ than NM. Violence caused by drug dealers and human dealers.

i wonder if there is more violence at the border... you hear that a lot, but i wonder, 'more violence' in comparison to who/where? i think it's another way to make *some* white people more fearful, more phobic...

*not denying that there's drugs and human trafficking along *both* sides of the USa/Mexico border (as well as within both of these countries).

[friskyfemme]

Originally Posted by apretty

i wonder if there is more violence at the border... you hear that a lot, but i wonder, 'more violence' in comparison to who/where? i think it's another way to make *some* white people more fearful, more phobic...

*not denying that there's drugs and human trafficking along *both* sides of the USa/Mexico border (as well as within both of these countries).

I have a gf who lives in Phoenix but has family in Nogales(Arizona/Mexico) border. The violence is so bad there that her parents will not visit their relatves in Mexico. The murders, kidnappings, muggings in Mexico are blamed on the 'drug Lords'. The Mexican government appears 'helpless' to arrest and prosecute these 'terrorists'. People are fleeing from there (wouldn't you?). Human trafficers exploit people who fear for their lives and their families lives, to get them out of this terror. Each person pays between $5000 - $10,000 to be smuggled across our borders in vans, pickup trucks, 18=wheelers inside crates and bags. Most of these people are taken to 'drop houses' (sometimes as many of 30 people living there). These people immediately try to get work (general labor -cash). They are required to play approx. $1000 per mth a person to their landlord.
The reason these immigrants coming to the United States is to get established here, send money to their families in Mexico and to get their families across the order legally.

These folks are not 'criminals'. They are REFUGEES! They are fleeing for their lives. If the federal government 'Homeland Security' wants to REALLY protect our southern borders than provide military support to Mexico. Does the US government really think that people
want to leave their homeland? If we help the people of Mexico defeat their 'terrorists' they will want to stay in their homes. Mexico can begin to prosper again.

The cost of this SB1070 to the citizens of will be devasting to our already bleak economy.

I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland.

The US citizens of the border states should not have to absorb the costs of protecting our country. I definitely OPPOSE the SB1070 bill. Movement is already underway in Arizona to repeal the bill. I do understand the fear of the US families on the border. As you should know by now the government controls it's Citizens by instilling fear. This is a NATIONAL SECURITY issue! The threat is not the people flowing across the borders.

IT IS THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER THAT ARE EXPLOITING THEM.

I purpose a UNITED NATIONS investment in an INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL database that tracks 'TRUE CRIMINALS' and information sharing of individuals.

BOYCOTTING AZ is noit going to resolve the ISSUE. If FACT it will only create another 'knee jerk' reaction to a NATIONAL problem. GET INVOLVED in a Productive Solution!

[apretty]

friskyfemme:

have you read the entire thread?

i'm attending 2 rallies today (gay and straight) for the people against SB 1070.

i think boycotting arizona is just one way that people can get involved.

(prior to living here, i lived 29 years in san diego, ca (2nd generation) --i do have some experience with living in border towns. phoenix isn't even NEAR a border and they blame mexicans for every kind of crime conceivable.)

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by friskyfemme

I have a gf who lives in Phoenix but has family in Nogales(Arizona/Mexico) border. The violence is so bad there that her parents will not visit their relatves in Mexico. The murders, kidnappings, muggings in Mexico are blamed on the 'drug Lords'. The Mexican government appears 'helpless' to arrest and prosecute these 'terrorists'. People are fleeing from there (wouldn't you?). Human trafficers exploit people who fear for their lives and their families lives, to get them out of this terror. Each person pays between $5000 - $10,000 to be smuggled across our borders in vans, pickup trucks, 18=wheelers inside crates and bags. Most of these people are taken to 'drop houses' (sometimes as many of 30 people living there). These people immediately try to get work (general labor -cash). They are required to play approx. $1000 per mth a person to their landlord.
The reason these immigrants coming to the United States is to get established here, send money to their families in Mexico and to get their families across the order legally.

These folks are not 'criminals'. They are REFUGEES! They are fleeing for their lives. If the federal government 'Homeland Security' wants to REALLY protect our southern borders than provide military support to Mexico. Does the US government really think that people
want to leave their homeland? If we help the people of Mexico defeat their 'terrorists' they will want to stay in their homes. Mexico can begin to prosper again.

The cost of this SB1070 to the citizens of will be devasting to our already bleak economy.

I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland.

The US citizens of the border states should not have to absorb the costs of protecting our country. I definitely OPPOSE the SB1070 bill. Movement is already underway in Arizona to repeal the bill. I do understand the fear of the US families on the border. As you should know by now the government controls it's Citizens by instilling fear. This is a NATIONAL SECURITY issue! The threat is not the people flowing across the borders.

IT IS THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER THAT ARE EXPLOITING THEM.

I purpose a UNITED NATIONS investment in an INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL database that tracks 'TRUE CRIMINALS' and information sharing of individuals.

BOYCOTTING AZ is noit going to resolve the ISSUE. If FACT it will only create another 'knee jerk' reaction to a NATIONAL problem. GET INVOLVED in a Productive Solution!

What you are proposing here is the invasion of Mexico by US troops or by UN troops? Do you think Mexico is willing to abdicate to either party? So we go to war with whom? War isn't the answer, never has been. If the people of the US were to stop paying for drugs that so readily flow over the boarder, then there would be no need for drug lords, and the people of Mexico could have economic stability in their own country.

The highlighted part of your post is what I am concerned with.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by apretty

like i said, anytime anyone wants to come down and protest the racism, the homophobia, the general state of *arizona* i shall HOST you and yours in my home, so come on down to where the work needs to be done!!

(on the upside we have a sprinkles cupcakes just 2 miles from us, and a barneys!)

I just pee'd myself with shame.

Can me and Cal still come over for some cupcakes and a tazing?