Lesbian Couple "Looks into Transgender" as a Loophole to Get Married

Okiebug61 · 07-16-2014, 02:40 PM

Why does or how does one's own journey and the shoes they walk in be an overall deciding factor of another's journey?

Should we even be questioning their personal decisions? If so, does this not open the door for all to be scrutinized?

Last when does the things we do for love take on a true meaning?

*Anya* · 07-16-2014, 04:24 PM

Isn't the point of a forum to have "lively debate"?

Can we not question? How do we learn if we do not question?

We call each other on everything if we think we have crossed a line or even if we simply disagree.

What would be the point of forums if everyone agreed with everything and everyone?

imperfect_cupcake · 07-16-2014, 04:31 PM

I argue with myself, frequently.

Nothin wrong with a bit of argy-bargy. Keeps things spicy and sexy.

tantalizingfemme · 07-16-2014, 05:05 PM

To me, the fact that Jacki is still referred to as her/she speaks on whether she is really trans. I personally don't see her as really wanting to be a man so that she can live as a man... she just wanted to be able to check that box for a marriage license. That to me is where there is a "slap in the face" to those who really are living a trans experience.

Sounds almost like an entitled child. I want what I want when I want it so rather than wait and fight for marriage in California, I'm just going to join the straight world and take the easy way out.

imperfect_cupcake · 07-16-2014, 05:20 PM

I know that's it's super easy to get both breasts removed. I like to do it every five years.

Its the easy way out of any pinch.

Also, christine stated that their situation is more complicated than pronoun use. I know a few of "she's" who consider themselves their own gender. They just aren't all that fussed with pronouns. You just can't know how she feels about her own gender. Some peoples gender fluxes in a day to day fashion. So what?

tantalizingfemme · 07-16-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by honeybarbara

Some peoples gender fluxes in a day to day fashion. So what?

But do they get all of the straight priveleges that are now legally and permanently afforded to this couple?

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Originally Posted by honeybarbara

I know that's it's super easy to get both breasts removed. I like to do it every five years.

Well it was a whole lot faster then waiting for CA to jump on the bandwagon.

BullDog · 07-16-2014, 05:33 PM

As a lesbian, should I be upset that an FTM who achieves male status can get "straight privilege" via marriage and I can't?

Same sex couples are supposed to "fight the good fight" or get married in another state or country that they don't even live in- which basically is meaningless from a legal standpoint.

I don't necessarily think it was a wise move, but these comments about "taking the easy way out" do tick me off.

tantalizingfemme · 07-16-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

I don't necessarily think it was a wise move, but these comments about "taking the easy way out" do tick me off.

Can I ask why it bothers you? I'm just curious.

Gemme · 07-16-2014, 04:29 PM

Okiebug, they opened the door to scrutiny when Christine went on Oprah years ago and when they allowed Harpo to do a story on them as a couple.

But yes, I do believe that if this were a couple who did not seek attention and thusly put it 'out there', we would have no right to comment.

I don't agree with the choices made, but it's not my life to live. If they feel they made the best choices for themselves, great. They are the ones who have to deal with the fallout from those choices.

I still feel as if the information presented minimizes the enormity of the process of transition and I still don't believe that authenticity was prevalent in the decisions made. That is probably the kindest, gentlest way I can say it.

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tantalizingfemme Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Me Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: * Posts: 4,184 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 3,957 Thanked 3,985 Times in 822 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	To me, the fact that Jacki is still referred to as her/she speaks on whether she is really trans. I personally don't see her as really wanting to be a man so that she can live as a man... she just wanted to be able to check that box for a marriage license. That to me is where there is a "slap in the face" to those who really are living a trans experience. Sounds almost like an entitled child. I want what I want when I want it so rather than wait and fight for marriage in California, I'm just going to join the straight world and take the easy way out.

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imperfect_cupcake Senior Member How Do You Identify?: feminine dolly dyke Preferred Pronoun?: Your Grace Relationship Status: I put my own care first Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: In a gauze of mystery Posts: 1,776 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,426 Thanked 9,711 Times in 1,611 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	I know that's it's super easy to get both breasts removed. I like to do it every five years. Its the easy way out of any pinch. Also, christine stated that their situation is more complicated than pronoun use. I know a few of "she's" who consider themselves their own gender. They just aren't all that fussed with pronouns. You just can't know how she feels about her own gender. Some peoples gender fluxes in a day to day fashion. So what?