It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Apocalipstic]

I certainly am sorry if you or anyone feels attacked because I disagree with you DeanRobert.

But I have to ask, is this therapy? Are we trying to make each other feel good, or are we having a serious discussion here? Is the water too hot?

I agree that boycotting a state is logistically problematic, but I think the point was and is that we are opposed to this obvious example of racial profiling.

My airbags were manufactured in Canada by Union Auto Workers, By the way.

[The_Lady_Snow]

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[Soon]

Arizona Legalizes Racial Profiling


Submitted by Sean Price on April 23, 2010

Hundreds of high school and college students gathered around the state capitol in Phoenix, Arizona, on Friday. They were there to convince Gov. Jan Brewer to veto Senate Bill 1070. These young protesters were disappointed though. Brewer signed the bill and instantly set back relations between whites and Latinos in Arizona and other parts of the country.

The law is designed to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants. As outlined by The New York Times:

The police would be authorized to arrest immigrants unable to show documents allowing them to be in the country and the legislation would leave drivers open to sanctions … for knowingly transporting an illegal immigrant, even a relative. It expressly forbids cities from adopting “sanctuary” policies that restrict the police and public workers from immigration enforcement….

In other words, Arizona cops now have a green light for racial profiling—unless anyone seriously thinks that an Irish national with blonde hair and blue eyes who is in Arizona illegally will receive the same scrutiny as an Arizona-born American with darker features.

It was no accident that so many high school students protested the new law. They will be directly affected. Young people are often the chief targets of racial profiling. And this law will almost surely split up families. In many cases, young people who are U.S. citizens have one or both parents who are undocumented workers. These families already cope with enormous economic pressure. The Arizona law will almost surely ratchet up their misery. But since undocumented workers are often driven here by far greater dangers and economic pressures, the law is unlikely to do anything to slow down the flow of illegal immigration.

Opponents are lining up to attack the new law on constitutional grounds. But even if the challenges succeed, the poison has already been introduced to the state’s racial climate. Gov. Brewer argued that new methods of police training would keep police officers from abusing the law. “I will not tolerate racial discrimination or racial profiling in Arizona,” she declared. If that’s the case, she shouldn’t have signed a law that guarantees it will happen.

By the way, educators who’d like to discuss racial profiling in the classroom can use this Teaching Tolerance lesson, which defines it and explains why the subject is so important.

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P.S. Interesting range of post-article comments.

[Apocalipstic]

This is so sad.

and she says God told her to do these things.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

This is so sad.

and she says God told her to do these things.

I can't imagine ANYONE's entity being about hate....

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

This is so sad.

and she says God told her to do these things.

Any time someone who is not a politician or person of influence says that, they bring the men with the white jackets.

[Soon]

Iowa candidate: Implant microchips into immigrants in country illegally

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

Iowa candidate: Implant microchips into immigrants in country illegally

I can't even get my head around that. Interestingly enough the first thought that came to mind is, how are you going to round them up to achieve this atrocity?

Then I thought of Nazy Germany, and last I thought of V, the series, only because I watched it last night

I mean, really?

[Jess]

What's really interesting to me, is that in the movies... any foreign country official always asks "ve vant to see your PaPers". Is it just here that we aren't supposed to ask?
Perhaps because so many European countries "touch" each other, they are more interested in seeing who is crossing their borders. Perhaps, because we are so, oh, I dunno, separate, we are just supposed to allow anyone in at any time.

If the bottom line is, have your papers in hand when they ask for them then go on your merry way, then what is really the problem?

Now.. I will say I am playing Devils Advocate with this, as it seems to be a simple solution and good as hell reason to sue for racial profiling. IF you have proper documentation and get pulled over because "you are brown".. SUE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM. If by chance, you don't, then damn, maybe you should have paid attention to all this shit. IF you are here and are going through the process, then you will have some proof of that. IF you are here ILLEGALLY and don't have proof you are going through the process, then hmmm.. go home and start over.It's really that simple.

Fully expecting bullshit to fall out of this post. Because it is way too simple. Way too easy to see it for what it is. I say, beat them at their game. It's easy. Have your papers ready to shove ever so politely in their face, whichever state of citizenship you fall into.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Jess

What's really interesting to me, is that in the movies... any foreign country official always asks "ve vant to see your PaPers". Is it just here that we aren't supposed to ask?
Perhaps because so many European countries "touch" each other, they are more interested in seeing who is crossing their borders. Perhaps, because we are so, oh, I dunno, separate, we are just supposed to allow anyone in at any time.

If the bottom line is, have your papers in hand when they ask for them then go on your merry way, then what is really the problem?

Now.. I will say I am playing Devils Advocate with this, as it seems to be a simple solution and good as hell reason to sue for racial profiling. IF you have proper documentation and get pulled over because "you are brown".. SUE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM. If by chance, you don't, then damn, maybe you should have paid attention to all this shit. IF you are here and are going through the process, then you will have some proof of that. IF you are here ILLEGALLY and don't have proof you are going through the process, then hmmm.. go home and start over.It's really that simple.

Fully expecting bullshit to fall out of this post. Because it is way too simple. Way too easy to see it for what it is. I say, beat them at their game. It's easy. Have your papers ready to shove ever so politely in their face, whichever state of citizenship you fall into.

It happens in the movies and communist countries. It happened a lot in Nazi Germany, if I remember my history correctly.

A free country, or at least one that prides itself in being one, does not asks for such papers.

This is not bullshit, this is my opinion.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Jess

What's really interesting to me, is that in the movies... any foreign country official always asks "ve vant to see your PaPers". Is it just here that we aren't supposed to ask?
Perhaps because so many European countries "touch" each other, they are more interested in seeing who is crossing their borders. Perhaps, because we are so, oh, I dunno, separate, we are just supposed to allow anyone in at any time.

If the bottom line is, have your papers in hand when they ask for them then go on your merry way, then what is really the problem?

Now.. I will say I am playing Devils Advocate with this, as it seems to be a simple solution and good as hell reason to sue for racial profiling. IF you have proper documentation and get pulled over because "you are brown".. SUE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM. If by chance, you don't, then damn, maybe you should have paid attention to all this shit. IF you are here and are going through the process, then you will have some proof of that. IF you are here ILLEGALLY and don't have proof you are going through the process, then hmmm.. go home and start over.It's really that simple.

Fully expecting bullshit to fall out of this post. Because it is way too simple. Way too easy to see it for what it is. I say, beat them at their game. It's easy. Have your papers ready to shove ever so politely in their face, whichever state of citizenship you fall into.

I see your reasoning. I'll try to keep things simple also. Those who are in this country are still paying taxes, etc. So, really, it's no skin off my teeth if they are here legally or not.

However, if someone has come here illegally and is trying to save money to send back home so that the rest of the family can come over here, legally, then it's not just a simple case of 'send 'em back'. Very often, they've nearly died getting here to take advantage of what so many take for granted. I could not, with my twisted sense of morality, do that to someone. Humans have a right to live and, if one illegal person is sent back, it affects not only them but their whole family...not to mention they'll probably get their ass kicked in the process of being 'sent back' (like defective merchandise, no?) or even killed. I'm not down with that.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Jess

Now.. I will say I am playing Devils Advocate with this, as it seems to be a simple solution and good as hell reason to sue for racial profiling.

i didn't think playing devil's advocate worked out well for you in the past, perhaps it's time to give it a rest when it comes to ANY thread that touches on race? it's disrespectful to 'play' at what many of us are *living*.

and also, forgive my skepticism, i'm having a super hard time thinking your posts are just about 'devil's advocacy' when you've advocated prior for waving the confederate flag as a symbol of southern heritage, and now here, a proponent of showing *papers* and suggesting immigrants arrive to this country, 'unlike americans', by van--that's really awful close to *othering* immigrants and saying they 'swam across', and other derogatory ways that racists refer to mexicans.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Jess

What's really interesting to me, is that in the movies... any foreign country official always asks "ve vant to see your PaPers". Is it just here that we aren't supposed to ask?
Perhaps because so many European countries "touch" each other, they are more interested in seeing who is crossing their borders. Perhaps, because we are so, oh, I dunno, separate, we are just supposed to allow anyone in at any time.

If the bottom line is, have your papers in hand when they ask for them then go on your merry way, then what is really the problem?

Now.. I will say I am playing Devils Advocate with this, as it seems to be a simple solution and good as hell reason to sue for racial profiling. IF you have proper documentation and get pulled over because "you are brown".. SUE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM. If by chance, you don't, then damn, maybe you should have paid attention to all this shit. IF you are here and are going through the process, then you will have some proof of that. IF you are here ILLEGALLY and don't have proof you are going through the process, then hmmm.. go home and start over.It's really that simple.

Fully expecting bullshit to fall out of this post. Because it is way too simple. Way too easy to see it for what it is. I say, beat them at their game. It's easy. Have your papers ready to shove ever so politely in their face, whichever state of citizenship you fall into.

So let's say we all go with your idea... Here we are all the browns carrying documentation around so we can *prove* we belong here as much as say.

You do..

Allow me to play devils advocate..

We are both from let's say....


Spain..

I happen to be darker, you happen to have light hair light eyes..

We both don't have our papers.... NONE...

*I* get pulled over, pulled out the car asked for my documentation, you don't get asked nothing cause well you just don't look it... Don't look like the type...

I get detained you sent on your merry way... So while I am detained I get the *special* treatment, kinda like my Ma did..

TADA come to find out, we are from Spain but have been residing here since 72 legally but this one time I forgot to bring the bulks of paperwork with me, and since I did not have THAT on me, now I have to tuck my horrific experience aside and worry about fucking suing?

FUCK THAT!

*You* have no idea what it is like to be pulled over by a cop who is having a bad day Jess.. Why? I am going to assume you are not of color, here is why I am assuming, cause you suggested we just sit back and take it and sue if we don't have documentation..

Really?? I belong here just as much as you do, I should have to be able drive a car without fear, walk the street without being hunted, cause frankly this is what this is, a witch hunt of sorts..

So no your *I am playing devil's advocate* falls a lil on the short side of justice.

Why?

Cause sometimes, some trigger happy joe do gooder thinks he is *Super Avenger* and may decide the day he spots an *illegal* that that *illegal* and his billy club have a date.. Yeah no thanks.... Suing ain't gonna bring Jose Luis Chacon back if he is mortally injured, no amount of fucking money is gonna bring that family their boy back, or brother, or husband.. If you are naive and think that won't happen, lemme tell you I laugh cause it happens now... *I* know...