Ebola, news and discussion

Kelt · 10-20-2014, 05:19 PM

Something I’m starting to wonder about in all of this is the money. I see where Obama is asking for funding, all well and good and predictable and will be much needed by municipalities, hospital, and other agencies. My question is more toward individuals. For one, I see that some people are self-monitoring with paid leave and others are simply losing three weeks of income. For a lot of people, especially those who live paycheck to paycheck this could be devastating. Will we start seeing one person who got on an airplane (or whatever) seeking repayment from someone who was sick? Or better yet, not sick but suspected of being sick?

Much larger than that of course is the fact that the US does not have single payer healthcare but individual coverages. And we all know how much insurance companies love to find ways to not cover things. Anyone who gets this or even just has to be put in isolation for a while is going to rack up HUGE bills. The amount of money involved in bio-containment is amazing. I wonder if the annual OOP maximums will hold up? There is also the tremendous staffing required, 10-25 staff for one patient instead of half a dozen caring for multiple patients. I wonder how that 10-50% coinsurance is going to work out…?

I personally believe this will stay controlled in first world countries and hope I am right. But these expenses are incurred for a while at least even for people who will ultimately test negative for it during their time period of waiting to find out. Most of this abundance of precaution is good, although some may be over the top, but ultimately someone has to pay for it.

cricket26 · 10-20-2014, 07:08 PM

in response to kelts post and as someone who lives in dallas county i am very worried about my tax bill....

MsTinkerbelly · 10-23-2014, 04:26 PM

Just in on CNN...

A Doctor in New York has begun to run a fever and present symptoms of Ebola, and has been taken to Bellvue Hospital which is one of 8 hospitals in New York that have been running drills.

The Doctor returned recently from Africa, and as late as last night was out bowling. His girlfriend has been put in isolation as well pending diagnosis.

TruTexan · 10-23-2014, 05:26 PM

West Africa Travel Restrictions being routed to certain designated airports in the US to curb Ebola outbreaks according to ABC World News: Travel Restrictions

MsTinkerbelly · 10-23-2014, 07:11 PM

The doctor in New York does indeed have Ebola.

When he called and the paramedics in hazmat suits picked him up, he had a 103* fever, and had been experiencing symptoms for several days.

He did not follow any type of self-quarantine proceedures. One man, several days, now someone will have to pay for all of the work to trace all of his contacts since returning to the states.

TruTexan · 10-24-2014, 09:24 PM

A healthcare worker, returning from West Africa, has been quarantined for testing after running a fever a couple hours after her temperature was checked at the airport in New Jersey.

New York and New Jersey Governor's are now calling for ALL travelers from West Africa orgins that have been in contact with Ebola patients are to be put into quarantined for 21 days upon arrival to the US.This comes after the doctor that tested positive for Ebola in NY was allowed to freely travel around the city.
The CDC is tracking the doctor's movements to anyone that came into contact with him after his arrival to the US.

The first nurse, Nina Pham, is now testing free of Ebola and has returned to North Texas tonight. The 2nd nurse, Amber Vinson, is still testing free of Ebola but has yet to be released from quarantine. Nina Pham's dog, Bentley, is still testing positive for Ebola and is being well cared for by Texas A & M veterinarians. He is not yet going to be released from quarantine.

GeorgiaMa'am · 10-24-2014, 10:20 PM

I am starting to think it might be wise for all travelers who have been in contact with Ebola victims to be quarantined for 21 days upon return to the U.S. Probably the healthcare workers who travel with Doctors Without Borders will comply, but will other people? 21 days could be so inconvenient that many people will just lie about whether they have been around friends or family who have Ebola.

If we revisit the idea of quarantining everyone (not just those who admit to having contact) who travels from the three high crisis countries in West Africa, people can just travel through other countries (although it seems we ought to be able to verify all travel itineraries for anyone who arrives in the U.S. - I don't understand why this is difficult, or at least 99% of all travel itineraries. Doesn't the U.S. require travel visas for everyone who is not a U.S. citizen coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia? It seems all those people's names should be in a computer somewhere.) Of course, who is going to pay for all this quarantining, and where could we even put that many people? These are some of the same questions that have been raised all along, but it's looking as though we may have to consider some of the more restrictive measures that have been suggested.

10-20-2014, 07:08 PM	#2
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10-20-2014, 05:19 PM	#1
Kelt Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Beach Butch Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,751 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 19,765 Thanked 15,285 Times in 2,538 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	Something I’m starting to wonder about in all of this is the money. I see where Obama is asking for funding, all well and good and predictable and will be much needed by municipalities, hospital, and other agencies. My question is more toward individuals. For one, I see that some people are self-monitoring with paid leave and others are simply losing three weeks of income. For a lot of people, especially those who live paycheck to paycheck this could be devastating. Will we start seeing one person who got on an airplane (or whatever) seeking repayment from someone who was sick? Or better yet, not sick but suspected of being sick? Much larger than that of course is the fact that the US does not have single payer healthcare but individual coverages. And we all know how much insurance companies love to find ways to not cover things. Anyone who gets this or even just has to be put in isolation for a while is going to rack up HUGE bills. The amount of money involved in bio-containment is amazing. I wonder if the annual OOP maximums will hold up? There is also the tremendous staffing required, 10-25 staff for one patient instead of half a dozen caring for multiple patients. I wonder how that 10-50% coinsurance is going to work out…? I personally believe this will stay controlled in first world countries and hope I am right. But these expenses are incurred for a while at least even for people who will ultimately test negative for it during their time period of waiting to find out. Most of this abundance of precaution is good, although some may be over the top, but ultimately someone has to pay for it.

10-23-2014, 04:26 PM	#3
MsTinkerbelly Timed Out - TOS Drama How Do You Identify?: ... Preferred Pronoun?: ... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ... Posts: 6,573 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,737 Thanked 22,907 Times in 5,017 Posts Rep Power: 0	Just in on CNN... A Doctor in New York has begun to run a fever and present symptoms of Ebola, and has been taken to Bellvue Hospital which is one of 8 hospitals in New York that have been running drills. The Doctor returned recently from Africa, and as late as last night was out bowling. His girlfriend has been put in isolation as well pending diagnosis.

10-23-2014, 07:11 PM	#5
MsTinkerbelly Timed Out - TOS Drama How Do You Identify?: ... Preferred Pronoun?: ... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ... Posts: 6,573 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,737 Thanked 22,907 Times in 5,017 Posts Rep Power: 0	The doctor in New York does indeed have Ebola. When he called and the paramedics in hazmat suits picked him up, he had a 103* fever, and had been experiencing symptoms for several days. He did not follow any type of self-quarantine proceedures. One man, several days, now someone will have to pay for all of the work to trace all of his contacts since returning to the states.