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Since I live in Las Vegas, I can totally understand where this guy is coming from, on "ringers", "muscle" and the Three Card Monty game. He's right on the mark with what will probably become of the OWS movement.
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Great riff and analogy on this. Thank you for posting :-)
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i absolutely agree. but the subsidies end up propping up huge gmo monocultures while the average joe farmer gets squeezed out by the gmo creators. and farming ain't easy. it's hard, back breaking work, unless you are mechanized and even then it's not all that easy. to grow food for a populace with out harming the soils and the environment, one needs to have a deep understanding of soils and how they work, the microbiological life it needs to be sustainable, the nutrients/minerals and all of THEIR cycles not to mention have impeccable timing of seasonal pests and diseases to just maintain whatever it is your growing to get it to harvest. i mean, it's not glamorous lol! and it's not profitable, either. farmers are not making millions. in fact, a lot of the average joe farmers left are deeply in debt just to keep the show going. and THEN.....you have to convince that same populace that eating seasonally is the way to go. do you eat only what's in season? i never have, but i've been working on it for the past couple of years. it's really hard! cuz dangit i want a strawberry in january. in the utopia in my head everyone cooperates and farms pop all over place and farms in places that can grow strawberries in january in America do and send them to places in America where they can't. until then, people will continue to buy strawberries from some foreign country that were picked green and gassed on the way here to make them red enough for grocery stores across America. |
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I do understand that for some, their work hours and commute time might make it very difficult to do this- or any gardening. Some people just don't like gardening. But buying in season is helpful and buying from stores that do bring in local produce. Very small changes can make a big difference. |
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But these same people rely on the government and agencies such as the FDA to allow it into our food systems. Are you kidding me? We have a huge fucking financial crisis due to political corruption. Do you think these same people give a rats ass if the FDA is honest or not? Do most people know that in a HUGE part of processed food is after growth of the weed killer Round-up? Corn, soy beans, canola, wheat, just to name a food. All genetically modified seed to to control weeds. its growing in the freaking plant and YOU are consuming it. If they are giving it to cattle as feed its in the beef and in milk. But the good news is that there has a been a HUGE increase in farmers markets the past ten years. That people are becoming more conscious and wise about choices, HOWEVER we need to act fast. Do something about it. Stop dreaming and giving lip service. (this is people in general) Stop shopping at Walmart or at least not so much. Find your local farms ( www.localharvest.org ) go visit, talk, help, support. Support organics. Yes it cost more because of supply and demand. Shop wisely and eat less if you have to. Stop making excuses. Get together with a few friends one day a week and plants an organic garden together. If you can raise some hens. Find local food coalitions in your area and see how you can help and support. Shop local and stop spending money on unnecessary things. Trade stuff, barter, shop at good will. Be proactive and conscious. Talk, talk talk, go to an occupy with a group of friends. We can change the world if we all get on board and stop the fucking insanity.
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There's lots of great documentaries that have facts Deconstructing Supper - On a personal quest to understand our food choices, acclaimed chef John Bishop travels around the world exploring where genetically modified crops come from, whether they may be harmful and what alternative options currently exist. Through interviews with farmers, scientists and activists, this thought-provoking documentary offers substantial insight into the nuts and bolts of global food production. The Future of Food - Before compiling your next grocery list, you might want to watch filmmaker Deborah Koons Garcia's eye-opening documentary, which sheds light on a shadowy relationship between agriculture, big business and government. By examining the effects of biotechnology on the nation's smallest farmers, the film reveals the unappetizing truth about genetically modified foods: You could unknowingly be serving them for dinner. Food Matters (one of my favs)- With a staggering number of Americans suffering from obesity and other food-related maladies, this film takes a timely and hard-hitting look at how the food we eat is helping or hurting our health, and what we can do to live (and eat) better. Nutritionists, naturopaths, scientists, doctors, medical journalists and more weigh in on everything from using food as medicine to the value of organic food and the safety of the food we consume. Ingredients - Narrated by actress Bebe Neuwirth, this engaging documentary weighs the shortcomings of America's industrialized food system against a rising local-growth movement, whose proponents are shrinking the gap between farmland and dinner table. With chefs Alice Waters and Greg Higgins as guiding lights, growers, restaurateurs and consumers around the country, from Oregon to Harlem, New York, discuss their methods for bringing food production back home. All of the above films are available on Netflix instant play. They are inspiring and they will also piss you off when you learn what big corporations and pharmaceutical companies are allowed to get away with. As you continue your research, that is any of this really matters to you, you'll see the hand our government has and how elections are really won or supported. If you dare, watch them all and let's get a thread going on what we can do to help put an end to it. You wanna grow some food? I'll tell you how. In fact we have a thread on sustainability and growing. I can't think of the name right now but if you're interested hit me up.
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For those of you still supporting Obama:
Obama Tops GOP Candidates in Wall Street Donations
New figures show President Obama continues to pull in huge donations from the financial sector, with more money from Wall Street this year than all other Republican presidential candidates combined. According to the Washington Post, Obama has raised a total of $15.6 million from banks and other financial firms, with nearly $12 million of that going to the Democratic National Committee. Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney has raised less than half that much from Wall Street, around $7.5 million. A top banking executive and Obama fundraiser told the Washington Post that reports of Wall Street antagonism toward Obama "are exaggerated and overblown ... [but] it probably helps from a political perspective if he’s not seen as a Wall Street guy." Link: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/20/headlines#4 |
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the complexities i've pointed out involving the hurdles that live within our food supply (and all that that entails) are just a few things that most people simply aren't aware of. and that's ok, it just takes these kinds of conversations to make that happpen. kids aren't taught about food in school anymore. or anything involving ag for that matter. ag programs in colleges teach mechanized and chemical infused farming practices and how to fill out subsidy forms (i'm not kidding). it's amazing to me that my ag professors don't know what allelopathy is. but then they can't understand why grape vines are stunted near certain trees. and they really just don't know. we have become largely disconnected from our food on more than just the consumer level. wheat is in a big battle right now because the gmo corps want to introduce gmo wheat and the wheat farmers don't want it because then they won't be able to export. i haven't updated myself in a few months on what the status of that fight is because i'm pretty swamped. generally, but not exclusively, gmo's are a "Round-up ready" seed. so when the farmers spray Round-Up in their fields, the crop is resistant to the spray so that only the weeds die. They do that by taking an e.coli bacteria as a vector and transferring whatever DNA they want (in this case a gene coding that is resistant to Round -Up) into the e.coli and then the e.coli carries the DNA into the plant cells in the lab. additionally, there is a marker gene present in gmo's that are antibiotic resistant. the problem here is that DNA can be taken up by cells in more than one way. so, to have antibiotic resistant DNA litter floating about your body is bad bad bad. but back to your point about blind eyes and such. i think that's valid. the first thing i hear out of a person's mouth when i say something like....buy organic....is that they can't afford it. and i believe them. i can't really afford it either. so i feel their pain. i recently went through a crisis where we lost everything and i decided when replacing everything in my kitchen to go gmo free and buy as much organic as i can. it was time to put up or shut up, i told myself. after eating cleaner for some time now, i have discovered that cleaner food fills me up faster and for longer. and the whole time i thought i was allergic to bread....i think i'm actually allergic to gmos. so while my grocery bill is a little higher and my grocery bag is a little lighter, it takes LESS clean food for me to feel nourished. and that was a huge thing for me. eating is such an intimate thing for so many people. i went off on a tangent again. the point i wanted to make is.....the chips on the shelf today are not the chips i grew up on as a kid. the big mac of today is not the same big mac from 30 years ago. our food changed and we didn't. and now our food has made a lot of us sick and dependent on very expensive meds. so of course, when you live on minimum wage and you have diabetes....where are you gonna shop? not Whole Foods that's fo sho. i think it's less of a blind eye and more of an economic issue for lots of folks. not to mention....there are tons of places in America that don't have access to clean foods at all. we are lacking in choices. and it comes back full circle. |
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Shit.... just had a pretty big earthquake jolt here in SF Bay Area! Whoa!!! Going to listen to news and see what is going on. Net not off, so I think I am safe. But WOW- big bang and shake. Today is the 20 yr anniversary of the Oakland Hills fires. And close to San Bruno gas pipe fires. Shit. Weird. |
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so............lets talk about the great goddess Hilary who would have been different......
So go do some research on Canadian pipelines and some nasty ass oil containing sludge found in Alberta. The enviormental impact statement given by TransCanadia......something about a top Clinton aid involved in pipelines and disaster with leaks..... folks occupy wall street look for the truth Hilary is no different than Obama
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Like spoken word on OWS. There's some real highs in this, particularly when it gets rolling about 'America getting extracted while we focus on celebrity nonsense.' Spot on.
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Thank you for this, AZ. Seriously. But I gotta sit tight on my feelings about what I have to say because I want to make sure that I'm not filtering through some fucked up anger I already have about O'Bama (checking my bias for hidden prejudices, etc.)(whole other thread, maybe RZ it). *Thank you* ~D |
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I just want to say that I am learning so much from all of you.
Thank you for your thoughtful posts, your ability to offer criticism in ways that is productive and keeps to its own organic process - which- to me, is highly characteristic of what successful campaigns for social change is all about. I liked Theo's post - I've been watching this guy for awhile on Youtube. He's got such a way with illustrating priniciple in action and the thought process behind certain agenda and messages we get from them (those who facilitate and aspects of gatekeeping and the forms these particular strategies take). Miss Tick expressed the idea that if certain politics monopolize (could we say it's oligarchy? yes, maybe, no?) and materialize we will all be sharing in the sorrow of what seats of entitlement, consumer based behaviors have wrought upon the environment (literally and metaphorically). The perfect storm, the trifecta. Are people listening? I propose the other side (any side, really) is listening. The hyper-acuteness of the OWS message is something worth more than just advocating massive change in our fiscal and financial sectors. It's about a change of heart toward ourselves, others and sentient beings who have no voice, but depend on us to be and act mercifully in our use and touch upon each and every aspect of relationships we have, personally and communally, socially. And that's just it. Being socially responsible. Reduce our global footprint in terms of improving the natural resources we have by being faithful stewards of our environment. I'm inspired by the participation in this thread and the many various perspective and informed people in our membership. K, I'm gonna go back to reading, ~D PS/ AZ, any person who uses a corollary involving Clint Eastwood has my attention. Last edited by Kätzchen; 10-20-2011 at 09:46 PM. Reason: punctuation and diction issues. |
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I am just excited that the national conversation is getting moved in a different direction. I am excited that people are re-thinking their assumptions about the ways that big money banks and corporations are influencing every aspect of our lives, and that there is a readiness and hope for actually doing something about it. I haven't felt excited about political change in a long time. I have been cynical and discouraged for 20 years. Today I am not.
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Some good points
http://www.indigenouspolitics.com/ What’s in a Name? Critical Indigenous Engagement with “Occupy” Wall Street Join your host, J. Kehaulani Kauanui for an episode that focuses on critical indigenous engagements and participation with the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) demonstrations. Listen to the show and learn about the indigenous history of Wall Street, which was built on Lenape tribal territory, and the terms of domination and potentials for decolonization. The program include interviews with: Joanne Barker (Lenape nation of eastern Oklahoma); Farrett (Cree) and Charles Whalen (Oglala Lakota) direct from OWS;Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Cheyenne River Lakota); and Steven Newcomb (Lenape and Shawnee). Native activists have questioned how successful OWS can be given the problematic language of “occupation” and absence of meaningful acknowledgment and redress of the issue of the continued occupation of native lands. As John Paul Montano (Nishnaabe) asserted in, “An Open Letter to the Occupy Wall Street Activists” from September 22, 2011, he read the OWS statement hoping and believing that “enlightened folks fighting for justice and equality and an end to imperialism…” would make mention of the fact that the very land upon which they are protesting does not belong to them—that they are guests upon that stolen indigenous land. And, as Jessica Yee (Mohawk) put it in her column, “OCCUPY WALL STREET: The Game of Colonialism and further nationalism to be decolonized from the ‘Left’”, published on racialicious.com, “Colonialism also leads to capitalism, globalization, and industrialization. How can we truly end capitalism without ending colonialism?” Original air-date: 10-18-11.
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I would imagine they are all in Wall St.'s pocket, but the way the numbers were interpreted is a tad off.
Romney's Raised More Than Twice the Wall St. Cash as Obama... Why Does the WaPo Say the Opposite? Compare and contrast. Here, via Open Secrets, are the top recipients of campaign cash from the finance, insurance and real estate sector, according to FEC filings: Top Recipients, 2011-2012 Candidate Office Amount Romney, Mitt (R) $5,047,797 Obama, Barack (D) $2,464,605 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $1,398,945 Corker, Bob (R-TN) Senate $1,195,864 Boehner, John (R-OH) House $1,159,137 And here is the lede from a Washington Post story that's been getting a lot of play: Despite frosty relations with the titans of Wall Street, President Obama has still managed to raise far more money this year from the financial and banking sector than Mitt Romney or any other Republican presidential candidate, according to new fundraising data. What's going on? Well, the WaPo included not only cash that Obama has raised on Wall Street for his campaign, but also for the Democratic National Committee, which, it notes, "will aid in his reelection effort." That's not an entirely inappropriate analysis -- Obama raised that cash, which is news-worthy if for no other reason than we have a lot of Wall Street execs taking to various opinion pages to whine about how mean Obama has been to them and promising to take their balls and go home if he's not nicer. And of course Obama was the Darling of Wall Street in 2008. But there are a few problems with it. First, this is simply an advantage of being an incumbent at this point in the cycle. Eventually the GOP will have a nominee and he (it won't be Bachmann) will go to Wall Street and raise money for the RNC. So, it's an apples to oranges comparison. The RNC has already raised about $3.3 million from finance and real estate, according to OpenSecrets. The other problem is that while the DNC will "aid in his re-election effort," it will also spend some of that cash on party infrastructure and for the campaigns of other Democratic candidates. I note this mainly because we use contributions to the campaigns themselves in our report on Wall Street's influence in Washington, merely noting in parentheses that the figures don't include money raised for the two parties' national committees. So, a clarification seemed to be in order.
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