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[atomiczombie]

What really pisses me off is that they are taking all the protestor's things and throwing them away. All these things that have been donated to OWS and things bought with donated money, all destroyed without notice. And this is private property, not public property. So this is illegal. Shame shame.

[Ebon]

Flash Bombs!! Those evil motherfuckers!!!

[SoNotHer]

Well, history has taught has that might is right and force is necessary for order.

Right?

[greeneyedgrrl]

yes it sucks that their things are being destroyed, but i'm more concerned about what is happening to the people, their bodies, minds and spirits. i'm praying for the safety of all.

i hear the protestors get increasingly violent in their speech... and i know it's difficult not to, i'm not confident i'd do better and i know that this is not going to help their situation or relations with the police.

[SoNotHer]

So the goal is to take personal belongings and with no care whatsoever for what they grab, heap onto to add to the 25000 tons of trash NYC already produces a day.

So now that they've shown protestors how democracy doesn't work, the movement goes underground and becomes more unpredictable, more subversive and more volatile.

[Ebon]

Per the police scanner the cops are following the people to city hall.

[atomiczombie]

This makes me even more frustrated with myself that my agoraphobia keeps me from being in the streets protesting. I am so angry. This is so illegal and the NYPD is a TOOL. They told the protestors they had 10 minutes to get their stuff out of the park. When they tried to get their belongings, the cops pushed them out. The cops told them they could come back later and get their stuff, but now all their things are in a dumpster, and being loaded into trucks to go to the dump. Bullshit.

[SoNotHer]

Yeah, they told them they could get their stuff back and then heaved it into a pile like books to a pyre as garbage trucks backed up. Some of the police were laughing at them.

Yeah, this is what democracy looks like.

[Ebon]

They are only adding fuel to the fire.

[atomiczombie]

This violates so many rights and breaks so many laws it's crazy.

[greeneyedgrrl]

it really upsets me that the focus seems to be on the stuff. PEOPLE are getting hurt. eff the stuff.

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by greeneyedgrrl

it really upsets me that the focus seems to be on the stuff. PEOPLE are getting hurt. eff the stuff.

Where are you seeing that people are getting hurt? I mean, I believe you but I haven't seen much on livestream.

[SoNotHer]

That they have done this at 2 a.m. in the morning, with no warrant, no care for belongings or safety, lies and laughter, shows that this movement is so on the right track.

I applaud the brave protesters, and I applaud anyone who is saying we can do better than greed, we can do better than inequality, we can do better than human, community and planetary destruction.

We can do better.

[SoNotHer]

Drew, there's a ticker tape running at the bottom of the screen that reads "many arrests/many injured." It also tells us that the press are being kept away. That's such a good sign, eh?

[Ebon]

I'm listening to the police scanner. There are like 400 people marching some where on Broadway. This cop just said over the radio "they'll cower like lambs when they see you."

[atomiczombie]

Originally Posted by SoNotHer

Drew, there's a ticker tape running at the bottom of the screen that reads "many arrests/many injured." It also tells us that the press are being kept away. That's such a good sign, eh?

Yeah I was just wondering if there are more specifics about injuries. And yes, injuries to people are worse than stuff being trashed. It's all violations of people's rights to gather, free speech and their right to due process before having their property seized.

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

Yeah I was just wondering if there are more specifics about injuries. And yes, injuries to people are worse than stuff being trashed. It's all violations of people's rights to gather, free speech and their right to due process before having their property seized.

The cop is trying to get EMT for someone that was maced on Liberty and Broadway.

[SoNotHer]

Someone just said that they are bringing out hoses. I just contacted CNN and Bloomberg's office.

[atomiczombie]

I hope no one is seriously injured or killed. It's fucking lame enough for the cops to mace and pepper spray peaceful unarmed protestors.

[greeneyedgrrl]

Originally Posted by atomiczombie

Where are you seeing that people are getting hurt? I mean, I believe you but I haven't seen much on livestream.

they've brought it up several times on livestream: many arrests and injuries. doesn't sound like anything critical like in oakland, but still.. people are more important to me than stuff . stuff is part of the problem... stuff is what feeds the system. in my experience, when people yell things like, "eff the police" violence follows; it's part of the design of the system. the system that we have is violent, it expects violence and reacts with violence. our language is violent: 'peaceful' protestors are yelling things like "eff the police." that IS violence. it does not excuse the use of physical violence, but it is violent just the same.

if we're going to change things, i believe WE have to change things. coming with violence even in language is not different than what we've done in the past. making someone else the enemy is not different. we have to be different if this movement is going to survive. screaming at the police is escalates the situation. we have to be calm, we have to be peaceful, including in our language. THAT would be different.