Law and Order: SVU with Special Guest Kathy Griffin as lesbian - Page 5

Cyclopea · 03-02-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Diva

So.....I watched the clip......and skimmed through the rest of this stuff.....

And all I could think was.....did no one ELSE take issue with the DELIVERY of said kiss beSTOWED on the lush, lovely, supple and fully delicious lips of one Ms. M. HardlyGay?

I mean, come ON. I wouldn't be on that Drive~by(thru) Menu either!

Carry on.

Hahahaha! It was more of a lunge than a kiss. Not hot!
"Hardlygay"- LMAO.

Apocalipstic · 03-02-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Diva

So.....I watched the clip......and skimmed through the rest of this stuff.....

And all I could think was.....did no one ELSE take issue with the DELIVERY of said kiss beSTOWED on the lush, lovely, supple and fully delicious lips of one Ms. M. HardlyGay?

I mean, come ON. I wouldn't be on that Drive~by(thru) Menu either!

Carry on.

I agree, the kiss sucked!

Write14u · 03-02-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I agree, the kiss sucked!

See...they needed ME to give her a good kiss. WTF were they thinking? I mean, come on! *grin*

ETA: Actually, as fun as that would be, I'd still jump in the "Kiss Melina Kanakaredes" line first (Stella, NY:CSI)
Mmmmmmmmm
*grin*

SassyLeo · 03-02-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EzeeTiger

*snip*
The thing about a show like the L Word was that it was mostly crap, in writing and acting. Some queer had an idea for a show (which coulda been a really good idea) and Showtime decided they could make money off of it ("hot women having sex with each other, it sells"). Yes, there were a few queers in real life on the show as someone else already mentioned. Also the show's creator Ilene Chaiken is a lesbian and two of the directors are out lesbians, Rose Troche and Angela Robinson come to mind. It didn't represent any lesbians I know, and not realistic about it's protrayals of everyday people, homosexual, lesbian, queer or otherwise most of the time. I mean who goes out to breakfast with their friends everyday before work and then goes clubbing several nights during the work week?? Really no different than Queer as Folk. At times unbelievable about more serious topics as well....
*snip*

So I've been thinking more about this today.

Ever since the L Word aired, I have had so many mixed feelings about it.

1. Yay, the Queers have a show! Yay, it is all about Lesbians! Yay, it is on a big time cable network! Yay, it has a couple of well known actors!

2. Boo, it is not on primetime TV. Boo, 99% of the actors are straight women. Boo, the characters are totally not "real life" type Lesbians.

So basically they have perpetuated the totally stereotypical and also unrealistic Lesbian world. But at least it is on TV, right? (I'm being sort of glib).

What is worse, having dramatic unrealistic visibility or having visibility at all?

Jess · 03-02-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cybersuebee

Let's not forget T.D. Knight, a gay actor who portrayed George, a heterosexual doctor on Grey's Anatomy. Although he was completely out in his private life, his sexuality became mainstream news when one of his cooworkers, Issah Washington got into fight with one of the other actors on the set of the show over Washington's use of the "f" word to characterize Knight. Washington was subsequently dropped from the hit show. He didn't help his cause when he repeatedly tried to justify his used of the "f" word, saying that where he grew up it meant "weak" (oh, and here we thought you we being insulting! WTF?). I saw him and his wife doing the "some of our best friends are gay" routine on a couple of interviews.

Yup. We need more mainstream gay and lesbian characters on television and in the movies.

Has anyone noticed that the last couple of times that Kathy Bates has played a secondary role in a movie her character has been lesbian - and her orientation played no part at all in the plot. Just like a "normal" person!

I tend to get very happy when I see characters in film ( especially major Hollywood flicks) like this. We just watched The Stepfather, a bad film I don't really recommend, and there was a lesbian couple as part of the cast of characters. No major focal point and no overt manner of portraying them as "lesbians". No big sex scene made for men. Just subtle everyday interactions that made it clear they were a couple.

I like when we queer folk are portrayed as "just normal". Not the main story, not overdone. Just real.

I wasn't thrilled with the clip of L&O. Not a huge fan of Kathy G nor her style of "acting". I don't see where having "Olivia" come out as a lesbian would "add" to her character on the show. She is a strong woman fighting the good fight. That is enough for me.

As for the argument that having major "gay" actors portraying gay figures would automatically add to the gay community monetarily, I find that awfully presumptuous. While I also get a great thrill personally every time someone very public "comes out", I do not automatically assume they will become a spokesperson or fund gatherer for "our cause". Some may contribute back, some may not. They are only human. It should not be an assumption in my opinion.

Jess · 03-03-2010, 06:35 PM

BUMP..

So, good , bad or otherwise it comes on tonight. It is always interesting to see how the queers will be portrayed on prime time.

Cyclopea · 03-03-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jess

BUMP..

So, good , bad or otherwise it comes on tonight. It is always interesting to see how the queers will be portrayed on prime time.

According to my TV listings it's a TWO HOUR show. Is that right? That's a heck of a time commitment just to see how (if) they edited the homophobic parts. Not sure I can last two hours, lol.

Here's a much hotter gay kiss from an SVU'er to tide us over...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzODwI6oiA"]YouTube- Beecher & Keller - You are my high[/ame]

Jess · 03-03-2010, 07:08 PM

LOL.. true.. 2 hrs is a bit much when there is a new Criminal Minds on at the same time.. I'll have to record one so I can watch both.

Soft*Silver · 03-03-2010, 09:18 PM

and I wasnt even Kissed...

but neither was Marisa...

OH but HE was kissed...

and the flaming lesbo was iced down and refried into a bisexual....

personally there is nothing wrong with bisexuals in my book. My ANGER is that they marketed to and targeted lesbians and the show was hyped as having a lesbian kiss segment

and the video promo I saw, the gals DID kiss..but oh no not tonight...

I am boycotting SVU..... they lost my loyalty...

damn..this was worse than when my batteries ran out...

Cyclopea · 03-03-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by softness

and I wasnt even Kissed...

but neither was Marisa...

OH but HE was kissed...

and the flaming lesbo was iced down and refried into a bisexual....

personally there is nothing wrong with bisexuals in my book. My ANGER is that they marketed to and targeted lesbians and the show was hyped as having a lesbian kiss segment

and the video promo I saw, the gals DID kiss..but oh no not tonight...

I am boycotting SVU..... they lost my loyalty...

damn..this was worse than when my batteries ran out...

Hahaha Testify sistah!

Write14u · 03-03-2010, 10:36 PM

Not surprisingly, I forgot it was coming on. I don't watch much TV.

Cyclopea · 03-03-2010, 10:50 PM

What I learned from SVU tonight:

-Lesbians are cultlike followers

-Lesbians are overreactive angry harpies

-Outspoken or politically active women are harpies

-Lesbianism is a choice

-Lesbianism is malleable in the presence of the "right" man

-Lesbians recruit

-Lesbians are attracted to and hit on every attractive straight women that crosses their path

-Lesbians are quick to misinterpret the intentions of well-meaning straight women

-Lesbians believe straight women cannot be "strong" or work in non-traditional jobs

-Organizations or groups that focus on specifically lesbian concerns are exclusionary and should not exist

-Aggressives have secret nicknames and would lie about a nickname even if it undermined the murder investigation of their significant other

-Aggressives are crazy violent criminals

-Women who embrace their masculinity are secretive and express that masculinity through violence

-Masculinity=violence

-Transgendered lesbians do not exist

-Bisexuals lie about, and are ashamed of their affectational orientation and only come out when forced

-Bisexuals with boyfriends who are hospitalized with gunshot wounds kiss any hot guy that's around and tell them to "give me a call"

-Lesbians reject bisexuals because bisexuals make a choice of sexual orientation that they themselves could also make, but reject

-When females tell males they are sexist asses they really just want to make out

Now I remember why I hate that show. BTW I was working on something and couldn't immediately change the channel and found the beginning of the second episode every bit as annoying: when Martiska Hargatroy told the prostitute she could go to an agency "right now" that would house her, feed her, give her emotional support and therapy and "help her get her GED" (IE: She was a prostitute by choice because plentiful well-funded agencies are standing by waiting to fulfill all her needs- what a load of shit).

As an OZ fan the intense reunion embrace of Beecher and Keller was amusing tho.

All in all, SUV is sexist, homophobic, stupit, and sucks. Reminds me all the more to try and represent for my lesbian sistahs. (Until the right man comes along of course.)

Queerasfck · 03-04-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SassyLeo

So I've been thinking more about this today.

Ever since the L Word aired, I have had so many mixed feelings about it.

1. Yay, the Queers have a show! Yay, it is all about Lesbians! Yay, it is on a big time cable network! Yay, it has a couple of well known actors!

2. Boo, it is not on primetime TV. Boo, 99% of the actors are straight women. Boo, the characters are totally not "real life" type Lesbians.

So basically they have perpetuated the totally stereotypical and also unrealistic Lesbian world. But at least it is on TV, right? (I'm being sort of glib).

What is worse, having dramatic unrealistic visibility or having visibility at all?

Totally agree with what you've posted here SassyLeo. I think queer representation in the media is really important. I have mixed feelings about straights playing gay. There were no queers on tv when I was growning up. Occasionally if trans person or queer was shown they were freaks. No doubt there have been some positive things on tv and the movies recently but still there are a lot of stereotypes constantly thrown in. By reading this thread I see that tonight's episode of SVU was dissappointing to many viewers.

Dragonfly · 03-04-2010, 01:15 AM

So I did that thing I do that is so annoying.

I tried to find something good to relate to or say about that show...

1) It was LBGTQIA** that she publically informed everyone watching..... I liked that it was an attempt to include everyone
** standing for Lesbian/Bisexual/Gay/Trans/Questioning/Intersexed/Allies
(even if it got twisted and made to seem like everyone who now tries to inform others may be treated like a fanatic, like that character, they may then tune out and ask "So when will ya turn Bi?" )

2) It may have helped in disparaging the myth that the Queer Community is exempt of violence against women or Domestic violence, or that it is a less diverse range of any type of people than the hetero community... and said something like the statement "just like strait". I like that because that kind of thinking is an obstacle for women in our community when they do need to seek help for violent acts against them by same sex partners. Some have been laughed off and or turned away.

** (I use Queer when talking about the community I feel connected to. It is my personal choice of a word that to me defines what I personally view as everyone before the "ally" letter of the above anacronym.)

3) It touched on something I have seen happen in the queer community relating to how some are so ultra sensitized by the daily insults and discrimination from the outside world that they: can be abrasive to someone who is not biased.... They can turn on one another, discriminate against certain "types" of their own community (bisexuals and femmes sometimes have this happen to them, just not soo often that svu is right to stereotype us all to be "like that"), her character on the show also alienates actual supporters by projecting the defensive over reaction to every single thing said... wrong place and time to say that!! Umm but we should be careful NOT to seem like that... especially now that people have seen THAT episode.

At the same time this "bright side" I saw.. if you call it bright... was also where I was yelling at the tv. These three were a real stretch, even for me Ms. Pollyanna. I REALLY hated the world maybe thinking that the lesbian community views someone who realizes they are bi as a "traitor" and that we peer pressure one another to stay gay. UGH that bothered me because even though I have seen it, never really want to think that is the majority attitude that bi's are not included. Or men of any sexuality are mistreated by lesbians. It's not the norm I want portrayed as an accurate example of any of us...

OK thats all I could vomit up good or positive about tonights SVU show. I'd prefer to just say "yeah what she said in that list above"

But cause I cant communicate "me too" ALL the time ...

Next I will be resorting to saying "Well at least Aggressives were mentioned" rather than go off about what THAT one is gonna stir up for butches and trans. The masculine women in the queer community were just represented as Domestic Abusers. Regardless of my no. 2 up there, I think the show will do more harm than good by making that person an abuser. Coulda touched on same sex domestic violence without targeting or stereotyping.

P.S. I know VERY little about "aggressives" and if they are any way related to the butch term ...? Am I the only one wondering? If so be gentle with me. No disrespect meant in this post at all. I am still shell shocked from the whole day today. I have heard the term mentioned in the "BF: are these terms antiquidated" thread. Scared to ask back then... But I dont trust public opinion on some random site that comes up on a search. I Want to read about it here where I trust more that I am getting an educated answer.

I have heard of the documentary called "The Aggressives" but havent seen it, or heard our own perspective of accuracy, like if there are stereotypes to look beyond.

See a review at : http://www.buygay.com/the-aggressives/p-231574-2

PapaC · 03-04-2010, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyclopea

What I learned from SVU tonight:

-Lesbians are cultlike followers

Some of what was presented on the show tonight is unfortunately accurate, Cyclo. I've seen and and been a part of ridiculous blind loyalty to unscrupulous characters who yes, happen to be part of the LGBT community. Cultlike? Thank you, that's very good word actually.

-Lesbians are overreactive angry harpies

Some are, absolutely. Come on? Are you going to deny that angry lesbians don't exist? with or without justifiable reasons?

-Outspoken or politically active women are harpies
See above

-Lesbianism is a choice
hmmm.... no sure how to comment on that one.

-Lesbianism is malleable in the presence of the "right" man
It happens. Can you (and others) deal with that? Care to take a guess on how many of my lesbian/queer partners ended up or turned an eye towards men? Think I give a shit or think they weren't 'real' lesbians at the time? or that their queer politics weren't in check?

-Lesbians recruit
Some try to, proudly. How many married women have dated lesbians and then came out? (putting my hand up)

-Lesbians are attracted to and hit on every attractive straight women that crosses their path
Yeah, I'll agree Griffin's character was a bit over the top on that. but is Law and Order the series, and the show stating this by having this type of character on one episode? Really?

-Lesbians are quick to misinterpret the intentions of well-meaning straight women
I saw as them having a difference in perspective because hello, a lot of well-meaning straight women actually do NOT get it, or understand

-Lesbians believe straight women cannot be "strong" or work in non-traditional jobs
no particular comment or argument there.

-Organizations or groups that focus on specifically lesbian concerns are exclusionary and should not exist
Why do you feel they should not exist? Do you think that was the message they were trying to convey? I think the message was, 'LesBeStrong' was more exclusively about Lesbian rights, yes, but when its founder comes out as Bi, or more true to herself, she felt the need to open it more to LGBT. Is there anything wrong with that message?

-Aggressives have secret nicknames and would lie about a nickname even if it undermined the murder investigation of their significant other
I don't know (personally) anyone who IDs as an Aggressive however, there are many many butches I know with 'secret' or secondary 'boi' names. I thought that was quite accurate and on point.

-Aggressives are crazy violent criminals
I'd imagine some of them are. So? It's called LAW AND ORDER. It's a show that's going to show insavory characters who have violent streaks. This time, an aggressive. Is that so wrong and inaccurate? really?

-Women who embrace their masculinity are secretive and express that masculinity through violence
Again, see above. They questioned one aggressive, who was violent. There were a sea of others on the show that didn't express their masculinity that way.

-Masculinity=violence
see above

-Transgendered lesbians do not exist
and was this episode supposed to showcase every single type of queer? in one hour?

-Bisexuals lie about, and are ashamed of their affectational orientation and only come out when forced
Wanna take a guess at how many femmes and butches have had to be in the closet about being bi, or worse be labelled players and sluts by other femmes and butches in our community because they happened to like dick (past or present?). Would you like to know some of the reasons why I personally stayed in the closet for 6 years longer than I personally should have? If you don't have a history of being bisexual, you are not aware of the rampant bi-phobia that continues to exist in this very community. Again, that portrayal of Griffen's character reasons for being in the closet was sadly, very very on point.

-Bisexuals with boyfriends who are hospitalized with gunshot wounds kiss any hot guy that's around and tell them to "give me a call"
The little bit made me laugh actually,. It was entertaining. Like a hot gay men's kiss.

-Lesbians reject bisexuals because bisexuals make a choice of sexual orientation that they themselves could also make, but reject
SEE ABOVE

All in all, SUV is sexist, homophobic, stupit, and sucks. Reminds me all the more to try and represent for my lesbian sistahs. (Until the right man comes along of course.)

Ok, granted I can respect that opinion, but really, is it the only show that has flavourings of sexism, homophibia, and stupidity? Have you ever seen "How I Met Your Mother" where the principle character is a sexist, quasi homophobic character, played by a gay man in real life: Neal Patrick Harris? Real eye opener of an episode I saw last night, I can tell you. I've liked Neal Patrick Harris as an actor for years, but won't be visiting that show any time soon.

Look, I get it. It's important to have a critical eye with queer-themed episodes on mainstream shows like Law and Order. I totally get it. But, was it ALL bad? was it ALL inaccurate? Is it wrong to GASP, have queer violent perps. showcased on TV?

Here's my personal malfunction, Cyclo: as a survivor of non-consensual date rape by a lesbian in the late '90's it's important for me to see some accuracy (and therefore, some portrayal) of this very hidden facet of our community .

And that brings me to perhaps the best line in the whole episode. If there's a "take away" from this ep. it's here:

Like B.D Wong's character stated "Like everyone else, it all boils down to the individual. Which is why gays and lesbians are not immune to domestic violence, substance abuse, rape... just more proof that we're all equal

In 2009, I had to explain to family members (intelligent but straight family members) that yes, domestic violence can exist between two men, just like it can exist between two women (or female born). I didn't come out to them about my date rape because it would have been too hard for them to grasp "how" and "why". I had to explain to them just exactly how 'normal' (and by that, I kinda mean how fucked up) we all are.

I've told and will continue to tell anyone who might be questioning or coming out, that there's no sacredness to loving women (or wimmin/womyn/ etc if you prefer). Just because the majority of us here were born with vaginas (and still possess them) doesn't mean we are on some sort of higher plane of existence, intellectualism, altruism or any of that sort of nonsense.

We're people. The good and the bad, the ying and yang.

I'm not saying there's not a patriarchical society, the fuckedupness of masculinity paraded as 'more-than'.... (heck that's felt in queer circles, but I'm sure you're aware of this, yes?)

sometimes it's just about the heart. The heart wants what the heart wants.

oh, P.S. thanks for showing that hot gay kiss though. I might start watching OZ again.

Jess · 03-04-2010, 06:45 AM

I tend to agree with more of what Chris laid out as how I viewed the show. I haven't had coffee yet so not really able to find words that make sense, however, I thought for a one hour program they were able to make mention of a great many aspects of being "lesbian" or queer in todays society.
Most importantly that we are all different and should be seen as equal to straights.

suebee · 03-04-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess

I tend to agree with more of what Chris laid out as how I viewed the show. I haven't had coffee yet so not really able to find words that make sense, however, I thought for a one hour program they were able to make mention of a great many aspects of being "lesbian" or queer in todays society.
Most importantly that we are all different and should be seen as equal to straights.

I think they tried to include too many sub-sets of the lesbian community without enough attention paid to any one to enable those unfamiliar with them to come to any kind of understanding. The one agressive in the show was a pretty good example of that. The only saving grace was Dr. Huang's comment that Papa C quoted above, and that was MUCH too little.

All in all, not a great show: neither in terms of representing us, nor in terms of entertainment value.

TIMBERWOLF · 03-04-2010, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by softness

and I wasnt even Kissed...

but neither was Marisa...

OH but HE was kissed...

and the flaming lesbo was iced down and refried into a bisexual....

personally there is nothing wrong with bisexuals in my book. My ANGER is that they marketed to and targeted lesbians and the show was hyped as having a lesbian kiss segment

and the video promo I saw, the gals DID kiss..but oh no not tonight...

I am boycotting SVU..... they lost my loyalty...

damn..this was worse than when my batteries ran out...

Yes I was disappointed only because they hyped it up and i saw the you tube but at the "kiss" they shaved it off like she missed.But then gave the guy at the end a big kisser. I will still watch SVU because i like the show but yeah they should have left the full kiss in.
Anyways have to jump in for a shower and get out on the road....later
TIMBER

Jess · 03-04-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cybersuebee

I think they tried to include too many sub-sets of the lesbian community without enough attention paid to any one to enable those unfamiliar with them to come to any kind of understanding. The one agressive in the show was a pretty good example of that. The only saving grace was Dr. Huang's comment that Papa C quoted above, and that was MUCH too little.

All in all, not a great show: neither in terms of representing us, nor in terms of entertainment value.

Well, I guess it's all in the entertainment vs education factor. I think that the point of making an effort to show anything other than the typical "girl on girl for male viewing pleasure", is a huge step on the part of the writer's, producers, etc. They didn't HAVE to do anything. My guess is that "someone" on the show is trying to point out some basic issues facing the LGBTQIA (or whatever all the letters are now) community.

So, for what it is worth, I tip my hat to them for trying. The world has a long way to go in seeing us as similar instead of "other" and even baby steps are good for me. I do agree that depending on how it is seen/ interpreted it could be good or bad, just like any other subject.

Personally I think the missing "kiss" is fine. It would have just been viewed as gratuitous as I see it.

At any rate.. very interesting to see our "own" take on the episode.

Andrew, Jr. · 03-04-2010, 09:49 AM

I am so disappointed in the show. It wasn't what I expected the show to be. It is Hollywood, and a ratings game.

03-03-2010, 09:18 PM	#89
SoftSilver Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: Married Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: rose cottage Posts: 5,592 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 8,948 Thanked 15,907 Times in 4,062 Posts Rep Power*: 21474857	I feel so $#$#ed over....!!!!! and I wasnt even Kissed... but neither was Marisa... OH but HE was kissed... and the flaming lesbo was iced down and refried into a bisexual.... personally there is nothing wrong with bisexuals in my book. My ANGER is that they marketed to and targeted lesbians and the show was hyped as having a lesbian kiss segment and the video promo I saw, the gals DID kiss..but oh no not tonight... I am boycotting SVU..... they lost my loyalty... damn..this was worse than when my batteries ran out... __________________ Pole bachit, a lis chuye. The field sees, the forest hears

03-03-2010, 10:36 PM	#91
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03-03-2010, 10:50 PM	#92
Cyclopea Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Lesbian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Exit Zero Posts: 1,267 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,694 Thanked 1,615 Times in 632 Posts Rep Power: 226200	What I learned from SVU tonight: -Lesbians are cultlike followers -Lesbians are overreactive angry harpies -Outspoken or politically active women are harpies -Lesbianism is a choice -Lesbianism is malleable in the presence of the "right" man -Lesbians recruit -Lesbians are attracted to and hit on every attractive straight women that crosses their path -Lesbians are quick to misinterpret the intentions of well-meaning straight women -Lesbians believe straight women cannot be "strong" or work in non-traditional jobs -Organizations or groups that focus on specifically lesbian concerns are exclusionary and should not exist -Aggressives have secret nicknames and would lie about a nickname even if it undermined the murder investigation of their significant other -Aggressives are crazy violent criminals -Women who embrace their masculinity are secretive and express that masculinity through violence -Masculinity=violence -Transgendered lesbians do not exist -Bisexuals lie about, and are ashamed of their affectational orientation and only come out when forced -Bisexuals with boyfriends who are hospitalized with gunshot wounds kiss any hot guy that's around and tell them to "give me a call" -Lesbians reject bisexuals because bisexuals make a choice of sexual orientation that they themselves could also make, but reject -When females tell males they are sexist asses they really just want to make out Now I remember why I hate that show. BTW I was working on something and couldn't immediately change the channel and found the beginning of the second episode every bit as annoying: when Martiska Hargatroy told the prostitute she could go to an agency "right now" that would house her, feed her, give her emotional support and therapy and "help her get her GED" (IE: She was a prostitute by choice because plentiful well-funded agencies are standing by waiting to fulfill all her needs- what a load of shit). As an OZ fan the intense reunion embrace of Beecher and Keller was amusing tho. All in all, SUV is sexist, homophobic, stupit, and sucks. Reminds me all the more to try and represent for my lesbian sistahs. (Until the right man comes along of course.) __________________ http://forum.axishistory.com/images/...arious/eye.jpg

03-04-2010, 01:15 AM	#94
Dragonfly Member How Do You Identify?: Queersexual Female Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: smiling real big Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: My Own House Illinois Posts: 330 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 871 Thanked 346 Times in 151 Posts Rep Power: 645438	My usual thing So I did that thing I do that is so annoying. I tried to find something good to relate to or say about that show... 1) It was LBGTQIA that she publically informed everyone watching..... I liked that it was an attempt to include everyone standing for Lesbian/Bisexual/Gay/Trans/Questioning/Intersexed/Allies (even if it got twisted and made to seem like everyone who now tries to inform others may be treated like a fanatic, like that character, they may then tune out and ask "So when will ya turn Bi?" ) 2) It may have helped in disparaging the myth that the Queer Community is exempt of violence against women or Domestic violence, or that it is a less diverse range of any type of people than the hetero community... and said something like the statement "just like strait". I like that because that kind of thinking is an obstacle for women in our community when they do need to seek help for violent acts against them by same sex partners. Some have been laughed off and or turned away. ** (I use Queer when talking about the community I feel connected to. It is my personal choice of a word that to me defines what I personally view as everyone before the "ally" letter of the above anacronym.) 3) It touched on something I have seen happen in the queer community relating to how some are so ultra sensitized by the daily insults and discrimination from the outside world that they: can be abrasive to someone who is not biased.... They can turn on one another, discriminate against certain "types" of their own community (bisexuals and femmes sometimes have this happen to them, just not soo often that svu is right to stereotype us all to be "like that"), her character on the show also alienates actual supporters by projecting the defensive over reaction to every single thing said... wrong place and time to say that!! Umm but we should be careful NOT to seem like that... especially now that people have seen THAT episode. At the same time this "bright side" I saw.. if you call it bright... was also where I was yelling at the tv. These three were a real stretch, even for me Ms. Pollyanna. I REALLY hated the world maybe thinking that the lesbian community views someone who realizes they are bi as a "traitor" and that we peer pressure one another to stay gay. UGH that bothered me because even though I have seen it, never really want to think that is the majority attitude that bi's are not included. Or men of any sexuality are mistreated by lesbians. It's not the norm I want portrayed as an accurate example of any of us... OK thats all I could vomit up good or positive about tonights SVU show. I'd prefer to just say "yeah what she said in that list above" But cause I cant communicate "me too" ALL the time ... Next I will be resorting to saying "Well at least Aggressives were mentioned" rather than go off about what THAT one is gonna stir up for butches and trans. The masculine women in the queer community were just represented as Domestic Abusers. Regardless of my no. 2 up there, I think the show will do more harm than good by making that person an abuser. Coulda touched on same sex domestic violence without targeting or stereotyping. P.S. I know VERY little about "aggressives" and if they are any way related to the butch term ...? Am I the only one wondering? If so be gentle with me. No disrespect meant in this post at all. I am still shell shocked from the whole day today. I have heard the term mentioned in the "BF: are these terms antiquidated" thread. Scared to ask back then... But I dont trust public opinion on some random site that comes up on a search. I Want to read about it here where I trust more that I am getting an educated answer. I have heard of the documentary called "The Aggressives" but havent seen it, or heard our own perspective of accuracy, like if there are stereotypes to look beyond. See a review at : http://www.buygay.com/the-aggressives/p-231574-2 __________________ Stay Gold.

03-03-2010, 06:35 PM	#86
Jess Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: decidedly indifferent Preferred Pronoun?: other Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Patrick Springs, VA Posts: 2,812 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,247 Thanked 5,700 Times in 1,682 Posts Rep Power: 0	BUMP.. So, good , bad or otherwise it comes on tonight. It is always interesting to see how the queers will be portrayed on prime time.

03-03-2010, 07:08 PM	#88
Jess Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: decidedly indifferent Preferred Pronoun?: other Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Patrick Springs, VA Posts: 2,812 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,247 Thanked 5,700 Times in 1,682 Posts Rep Power: 0	LOL.. true.. 2 hrs is a bit much when there is a new Criminal Minds on at the same time.. I'll have to record one so I can watch both.

03-04-2010, 06:45 AM	#96
Jess Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: decidedly indifferent Preferred Pronoun?: other Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Patrick Springs, VA Posts: 2,812 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,247 Thanked 5,700 Times in 1,682 Posts Rep Power: 0	I tend to agree with more of what Chris laid out as how I viewed the show. I haven't had coffee yet so not really able to find words that make sense, however, I thought for a one hour program they were able to make mention of a great many aspects of being "lesbian" or queer in todays society. Most importantly that we are all different and should be seen as equal to straights.

03-04-2010, 09:49 AM	#100
Andrew, Jr. Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Me Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Unavailable Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Over the Rainbow in a House Posts: 5,072 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 16,004 Thanked 5,249 Times in 2,216 Posts Rep Power: 0	I am so disappointed in the show. It wasn't what I expected the show to be. It is Hollywood, and a ratings game.