Small Plane Crashes in Austin Tx

[Dylan]

And I left out all of the places in which One has to walk through a metal detector before entering...which now includes schools in some areas.

If there's an assumption of safety, why are there metal detectors?


Dylan

[Diva]

Originally Posted by Dude~a~Licious

This guy really showed them ,didn't he?

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Similar to the nut who bulldozed his house so the bank would not get it.

Did he get a permit from the city to do that?

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by Diva

Did he get a permit from the city to do that?

Boy, they have permits for everything these days, don't they!!

[Ashlea?]

You are absolutely right. I did put "we", my apologies. But are you really going to try and stick with your argument that people are not afraid of their government? If not by taxes, name one out of a billion other things that our government has us by the balls by.

Are you really going to deny the fear?

That being said, are you really going to deny that our government has us afraid which is contradictory to the foundation of the constitution? This country?

I really just want people to sit and think about that. Out of EVERYTHING we fight/disagree about, we should STILL not fear our government for any reason. Its unconscionable, and unconstitutional.

[Rufusboi]

Originally Posted by Ashlea?

You are absolutely right. I did put "we", my apologies. But are you really going to try and stick with your argument that people are not afraid of their government? If not by taxes, name one out of a billion other things that our government has us by the balls by.

Are you really going to deny the fear?

That being said, are you really going to deny that our government has us afraid which is contradictory to the foundation of the constitution? This country?

I really just want people to sit and think about that. Out of EVERYTHING we fight/disagree about, we should STILL not fear our government for any reason. Its unconscionable, and unconstitutional.

And don't forget that CPS can investigate and take your kids based on "reports" of abuse. Pics of your kids in the bath tub? Be careful who sees them as you might have a government agency on your doorstep asking about child pornography. Got a beef with your neighbor. Pray he or she doesn't go to the police and make up reports of terrorism, drugs, bombs etc on. Watch what you check out of the library too. Its all kept on record. And if you end up on the no fly list due to an error or you have the same name as someone on the list, well give it up, you're driving from now on. Imagine being an 18 year old high school senior who has sex with his 16 year old high school girlfriend. Oops. your're now on the sexual predator list for LIFE. It happens. Uhh don't want to get on the wrong side of the US government. My girlfriend is a naturalized citizen and worries that the Feds have her fingerprints on file for life. Had to be fingerprinted to get her citizenship. That's it, she's on the grid for life. She's in the database. She laughs about it but seriously they have them. It gives you pause. Oh and be careful what you write on this board, on any internet board, on an email because you put the wrong string of words together and bam......listen for that knock on the door. Or you say the wrong thing on the phone.......they're listening......Uhhh you have to be careful what you do, what you say, who you make friends with. Call me paranoid .....but I think there is a lot of truth to what I say. Oh and don't get me started on all the people who are innocent and end up in prison for years on end. And all the mismangement, fraud, corruption, bribery, incompetent workers, graft, nepotism, friends hiring friends at all level of government and in all government agencies.

Rufus

[IrishGrrl]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Maybe it was the high cost of water these days that drove people from their homes and into voting booths


I Mean, Bush Really Did Fuck Things Up, No?,
Dylan

He most certainly did.

Five people in my house.

5 showers a day.

Aprox.25-30 flushes a day

15-20 loads of laundry a week..in a large washer.

My bill this month was 18 dollars.

Sewage was 23.

The kids are gonna have to start peeing in the yard.

[Diavolo]

Taxes are a necessary evil in a civilized society. When I was in Germany almost half of my income went to taxes. Of course there wasn't any tax on gas or consumables, but it felt like a lot, until I got hurt and the German Doctor fixed me and sent me on my way.

We all have to pay taxes. As I always say to people who don't want to pay taxes, great, stay off the highways, don't call a cop or a fireman, don't ask the Army to do anything on your behalf and don't take an airplane. Don't send your brats to the public schools and don't ask us to put anyone in jail for committing a crime that won't be investigated because there are no police. I could go on for a while on that one but I think my point is clear.

The wingnut faction who is trying to steal this country away with their don't tread on me bullshit is out of touch with the reality of an entity as large as this country. Do I want my tax money wasted? Absolutely not. Do I want a safety net in place for people who fall on hard times? Yes. Do I want to support someone who is capable of working for the rest of their life? No. Do I have a problem paying my fair share? Nope.

Personally, I want corporations out of government. I do not want BofA or anyone else contributing to the election of a Congressman. The Supreme Court came out with their worst decision of all time on that one. OK, Dred Scott was worse, but you get what I mean. I do not want banks bailed out by our government while families lose their homes. And if Good Lord willing I become one of the 2% who make over $250k a year, I'll pay my fair share. If I can't make my mortgage payment, I expect to lose my house under the terms of the contract I signed. If a CEO runs a company into the ground because like Jamie Dimon they thought the real estate market would never stop going up, they should lose their jobs and their houses. They should not get a pat on the back, a bucket of money and a bonus next year.

I understand that people are frustrated. It's a lack of education and the result of 8 years of an Asleep at the Wheel Presidency. Last month I had a guy blame Obama for him losing his house. Except they missed he first mortgage payment in July 2008. There is a disconnect.

We forget that Bush couldn't find oil in Texas, ran the Rangers into the ground and basically had a track record of fucking up a wet dream. It's not some drone following procedures at an IRS building that is the problem. It's the Congress that enacts laws that they haven't read that have amendments in them that benefit corporations and punish constituents. It's the lack of personal responsibility in this country which is a direct extension of the lack of corporate responsibility in this country. If everybody stepped up and said "I own this", say like Tiger did, we'd be in a better place.

As for the clown that bulldozed the house, he breached the mortgage when he did that and now he'll have nothing and still owe taxes and the mortgage. They will hound him until the end of time. Idiot. And he's probably the kind of guy who complains about attorneys. Like my brother the attorney says "if y'all would act right, I'd be out of work, but you don't."

[wolfwalker]

Originally Posted by Goofy

Nothing about my family's survival will EVER involve killing innocent people. NOTHING. Sorry, not my way of getting things done.

And nothing you can say will convince me that this guy was a "brave American". He was a C O W A R D

So I guess the only thing left to do is to put my sheep suit on the next time I walk out my door. I don't like to wear it in the house because I'm so fat and happy that the dogs think I'm dinner.

Baaaaaa

oh really? tell me what you are going to do when there is no food left in the stores because of some disaster and people are coming down your driveway, intent on killing you and your family for what you have left?

going to just invite them in for tea and cookies?

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

oh really? tell me what you are going to do when there is no food left in the stores because of some disaster and people are coming down your driveway, intent on killing you and your family for what you have left?

going to just invite them in for tea and cookies?

I guess we'll have to get a plane and fly it into a building and kill a bunch of people. Right?
That'll solve the problem.

[Sachita]

As it has been with most of my life I sit on a fence with this. I'm between liberal hippy and conservative bitch most likely caught in a bureaucratic trap most of us are in. Sheeple (is that right?) is exactly what we are.

Our government is the worse terrorist of all. Our entire civilization has been erected from slaughtering and abusing natives and other people in the name of some fucked up system that's soul agenda is to control us. We can celebrate a fucked up LIE called history and support a system that has literally abused us but damn the one individual that reacts.

I don't agree with any act of violence but I can damn sure see why he did what he did. The thought, I am sure has crossed many a mind. He was just willing to trade his life for it. Not something many of us would consider. No, I don't think he was a coward. I think he snapped and just had enough.

[wolfwalker]

Originally Posted by ~Bo

I guess we'll have to get a plane and fly it into a building and kill a bunch of people. Right?
That'll solve the problem.

lets keep facts straight. he did not kill a bunch of people. other then himself there is 1 dead, 1 injured

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

lets keep facts straight. he did not kill a bunch of people. other then himself there is 1 dead, 1 injured

Dude. Seriously?

His intent was to do a lot more damage than he did. You can read his manifesto until the end of time. Murder and mayhem. I cannot believe that you and any one else for that matter is defending murder and mayhem. I'd recommend a reality check.

[T D]

I don't think what this person did was in any way a good thing. I don't think he's a hero, but I don't think he's a coward either. I think he was sick, yes SICK, and this is just one more example of how the U. S. is NOT taking care of its own. Of course it was his responsibility to seek out help, and who knows if he did or not, but none-the-less, no one in their right mind does chit like this, and I have NO doubt that the pressure on him was more than he could handle, for whatever reasons. We're all different.

Unless any of us has been so depressed, fed up, and out of control that we've actually crossed that line between fantasy and reality we have NO idea what really went on for this guy. Causing harm to our self or anyone else is never a good thing to do, but it does happen, and it sometimes happens to what appears to be "perfectly normal people". It could happen to any one of us during our lifetime.

I personally find all of these judgments disheartening. It's a VERY, VERY SAD and traumatic situation for a whole lot of people, including the guy who torched his own house and flew his airplane into that building, and all of his family.

[Ashlea?]

Obviously you didn't read the manifesto properly, never once did he mention mass killing, or going on a rampage. He targeted the institution, not the people.

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

lets keep facts straight. he did not kill a bunch of people. other then himself there is 1 dead, 1 injured

Ohhhhhh.....ok. One dead is ok. Got it now.

You scare me!

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by Sachita

As it has been with most of my life I sit on a fence with this. I'm between liberal hippy and conservative bitch most likely caught in a bureaucratic trap most of us are in. Sheeple (is that right?) is exactly what we are.

Our government is the worse terrorist of all. Our entire civilization has been erected from slaughtering and abusing natives and other people in the name of some fucked up system that's soul agenda is to control us. We can celebrate a fucked up LIE called history and support a system that has literally abused us but damn the one individual that reacts.

I don't agree with any act of violence but I can damn sure see why he did what he did. The thought, I am sure has crossed many a mind. He was just willing to trade his life for it. Not something many of us would consider. No, I don't think he was a coward. I think he snapped and just had enough.

I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*

[~Bo]

Originally Posted by Ashlea?

Obviously you didn't read the manifesto properly, never once did he mention mass killing, or going on a rampage. He targeted the institution, not the people.

He was an extremely intelligent person. Do you really think he thought no one would get hurt?? Come on!

[I'mOneToo]

if he was only targeting "the institution" he might have chosen a time like say, midnight, instead of midmorning on a workday.

just sayin'.

and i can barely read, let alone his "manifesto". but it doesn't matter what he wrote, it's what he did; if he wasn't targeting people he did a bad job of carrying out his mission.

Originally Posted by Ashlea?

Obviously you didn't read the manifesto properly, never once did he mention mass killing, or going on a rampage. He targeted the institution, not the people.

[Lips]

Originally Posted by Diva

There are 2 in the bldg taken to hospitals and 1 unaccounted for, which is a wonderment to me that there aren't MORE as it was at the beginning of the work day when the building would have been heavily occupied.

That's all I have for now.....

Who knew that someday people would have their lives saved by traffic on MoPac?

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by ~Bo

I think he was willing to trade ALOT of people's lives for it. Do you seriously believe he thought he'd be the only one to die??? You gotta be kidding me.
That whole fucking building could've exploded.

I truly can not fathom you people and your rationale.

*shakes head*

no, not kidding you. I think that he snapped but even in crazy ass mode he took a calculated risk even though he knew his own life would end. I don't see this man as being hap-hearted but one that gave it a lot of thought and fueled with that passionate insanity made an extreme statement. One which I feel would have easily been any of us caught in that moment.

For the record I do not condone his actions but the last thing I'd ever call him is a coward.

he had nothing to lose. He burned his house not to hurt his family but that they would have taken it anyhow. Can't you see this? He might have done a terrible deed in the macro cosmic scope of things but in his microcosmic world he acted with passion and a great statement.

when our government make a choice for the good of all they don't consider the tripling effect it will have on the masses. They will defend their agenda even if it means killing innocent lives. This is proven through history. Women, children, whoever is in it's course is victim to that greater cause. I think it's bullshit but at the same time I sit back and wonder what would happen if they didnt? It it an acceptable action and we accept it in the name that is all free... such fucking BS. If you can but that program then why not but this one?

I think it's a double agenda but as sheeple you'd never see that because as humans we are condition to acception, play into the system and punish ourselves for thinking differently.

Fuck that nonsense.