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The butches who still feel female or what have ya are what i see around here as soft butches. I just cant see a hardcore butch saying they are female. Female bodies yes but female in the brain not so much.
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That's a good way of putting it. I have no problem acknowledging my female body, but I do tend to think of myself as a "queer dude".
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No, I am female and definitely do not consider myself a soft butch. I am hardcore - although I also agree with dee that soft and hard core are not great terms to use. This is pretty insulting.
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Similar terms in my day but the two main ones were butch and soft butch. One would add the adjective soft if you wanted to identify as less masculine/male acting... feeling.. etc... etc... than just butch. Then we had dyke or bull dyke as popular terms used to describe lesbians even more masculine acting/appearance than butch.
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To one, soft butch may be used for those androgenos or non-binary. Dyke can be used as a self identification for any lesbian. In the MW, the term bull dyke is mostly used by straight men as an insult to a masculine acting/appearing womon (not always lesbian). |
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I didn't mean to offend. Im posting on what i see in my everyday world. Ive spoken with alot of butches at the bar and the ones who call themselves hardcore butch do not see themselves as female.
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Yeah, you go ahead and think of me as "soft" all you want JDeere, but what you said is complete bullshit. I know plenty of "hardcore" butches in real life - who like me - are very proud to be female and butch and completely masculine. It doesn't imply that we are less than hardcore.
If any female-identified butch were to suggest that a male id'd butch was "less than" it would certainly cause a stir. Maybe instead of posting how you see other butches, you could just talk about how you id instead. And as far as butch "brains," this sounds like the bullshit where supposedly boys think differently than girls and that's why girls aren't good at math (which is completely untrue). Anyway, we don't need any "butch scale" at all. Seriously, this is out of line and should not be tolerated.
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My experiences have been very similar... 20 years ago and even today!
With those I've gotten to know better, they do not see themselves as female and for a variety of reasons they can't transition to something other of their choosing. Most of the time the reasons are financial. One guy I met here in Texas who had a medical condition (a blood disorder) that made any surgery hazardous. And there was some other issue that limited his taking testosterone. Anyway, to most he just seemed hella butch (he could not pass as male and he knew it) until you got to know him and his preferred pronouns. |
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Totally with you on this! I'm still trying to wrap my head around all the "options"... and the names... that have popped up in the last 20 years!
I certainly don't mind getting with the program ... so to speak... but what has really disturbed me is how peeved some get if one can't/don't ID them appropriately from first meeting! I've only had my head bitten off once but I've seen others decapitated many times. Sheesh! |
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