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Old 04-08-2018, 01:03 AM   #1
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I didn't mean to offend. Im posting on what i see in my everyday world. Ive spoken with alot of butches at the bar and the ones who call themselves hardcore butch do not see themselves as female.

But i guess how one sees themselves wont always be seen by others.
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Yeah, you go ahead and think of me as "soft" all you want JDeere, but what you said is complete bullshit. I know plenty of "hardcore" butches in real life - who like me - are very proud to be female and butch and completely masculine. It doesn't imply that we are less than hardcore.

If any female-identified butch were to suggest that a male id'd butch was "less than" it would certainly cause a stir.

Maybe instead of posting how you see other butches, you could just talk about how you id instead.

And as far as butch "brains," this sounds like the bullshit where supposedly boys think differently than girls and that's why girls aren't good at math (which is completely untrue).

Anyway, we don't need any "butch scale" at all.

Seriously, this is out of line and should not be tolerated.



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Yeah, you go ahead and think of me as "soft" all you want JDeere, but what you said is complete bullshit. I know plenty of "hardcore" butches in real life - who like me - are very proud to be female and butch and completely masculine. It doesn't imply that we are less than hardcore.

If any female-identified butch were to suggest that a male id'd butch was "less than" it would certainly cause a stir.

Maybe instead of posting how you see other butches, you could just talk about how you id instead.

And as far as butch "brains," this sounds like the bullshit where supposedly boys think differently than girls and that's why girls aren't good at math (which is completely untrue).

Anyway, we don't need any "butch scale" at all.

Seriously, this is out of line and should not be tolerated.
Think what you want. Im telling my.side of life not yours. I put what i see out there and you get all out of sorts. Which is on you not me.
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No, you weren't talking about yourself.

And I will keep my thoughts about you and what kind of butch you think you are to myself.



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No, you weren't talking about yourself.

And I will keep my thoughts about you and what kind of butch you think you are to myself.
Same with myself
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Good because the purpose of the thread isn't to judge others.

Opening post - bold is my emphasis:

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I've been in this weird state in between trans male and butch female and was wondering if I could get some insight from those who are butch females.

I've been actively questioning for about 5-6 years now, and I've been always going back and forth between the two. The part of me that thinks I'm a trans male is that I express myself in a more masculine manner (however, butch women also do), I pack and bind, and would prefer to compress my chest and would like the option to go shirtless (though, who doesn't). I like male and neutral pronouns, and I am seen by the majority of people as male.

I'm not out to anyone, so I can't really ask someone to call me by my preferred name/pronouns, but I have been trying this online. I've always chose to present myself as male or masculine online (in games, forums, etc) and I was just wondering if this was common amongst other butch women.

There have also been times as a child where I've had thoughts about how I would go about telling people what happened to [given name] if I were to present as male and go by a male name. I also wondered, when I was 9-10, if other girls hated being girls also.

I don't know, I'm just really confused.


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My experiences have been very similar... 20 years ago and even today!

With those I've gotten to know better, they do not see themselves as female and for a variety of reasons they can't transition to something other of their choosing. Most of the time the reasons are financial. One guy I met here in Texas who had a medical condition (a blood disorder) that made any surgery hazardous. And there was some other issue that limited his taking testosterone. Anyway, to most he just seemed hella butch (he could not pass as male and he knew it) until you got to know him and his preferred pronouns.



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My experiences have been very similar... 20 years ago and even today!

With those I've gotten to know better, they do not see themselves as female and for a variety of reasons they can't transition to something other of their choosing. Most of the time the reasons are financial. One guy I met here in Texas who had a medical condition (a blood disorder) that made any surgery hazardous. And there was some other issue that limited his taking testosterone. Anyway, to most he just seemed hella butch (he could not pass as male and he knew it) until you got to know him and his preferred pronouns.
I know of several folks in groups I belong to on Facebook that can't transition mostly for financial reasons, which is sad, I think anyone, regardless of financial means should be able to get the help they need.
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Am a genderqueer individual who has had gender dysphoria even after a
total hysterectomy.

Years later (last year), I found that it was possible to masculinize my chest. I am going through clearance for surgery with my Internist and Cardiologist with
appointments this week.

Started testosterone over a year ago.

Have already had a visit with Cardio., now going for a Stress Test which is
scheduled for next week.

Visit with my Internist on Thurs. with labs already done. Unless she orders
further tests, will meet (probably via Skype) to speak with the surgeon for
final discussion and to get scheduled for surgery.

Glad I have Medicare, as 80% of cost will be covered. Sorry for the guys
Lyte was writing about being unable to have the surgery due to cost.
Perhaps they could inquire about medical tourism to Cuba. Great medical care
and complete acceptance of transgender individuals. The cost will probably be
less than the US even considering the arrangement and transportation.
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In a group I am in on Facebook, someone came forward with the same question you have Ender. I didn't post because some of the folks in said group are lets say " no label, only one gender" type folks. I think in time you will be who you are, no matter what others say, it took me many years to even know I was masculine of any kind, that butch femme trans, etc existed.

I am hoping you are coming into yourself.
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I came out to a few of my friends as trans, and they were all super supportive and accepting, however, now I'm starting to question again.

The thing I am sure of is that I am transmasculine (whether I'm butch, trans, somewhere in the middle) I'm unsure of.

I asked them to call me Liam, but as we are all in different cities right now I don't know when I'll get to see them in-person next.

I'm glad I said something, but I don't know if it's just all in my head or not.
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I've always liked the name Liam!

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I came out to a few of my friends as trans, and they were all super supportive and accepting, however, now I'm starting to question again.

The thing I am sure of is that I am transmasculine (whether I'm butch, trans, somewhere in the middle) I'm unsure of.

I asked them to call me Liam, but as we are all in different cities right now I don't know when I'll get to see them in-person next.

I'm glad I said something, but I don't know if it's just all in my head or not.
Hi, Liam.

Have you looked into finding a clinically competent gender therapist? If you need some assistance in finding someone in your area, I would be happy to help you.

You really need someone to bounce this stuff off of who understands the nuances of gender, gender expression, and sexuality. You need someone to assist you in pulling all of this apart.

You also might find it helpful to journal.

Also, it isn't a race...it is a journey.
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