On Maleness, MaleID/Trans Masculinity, Expectations and Being "Less of a Man"

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

When there is a thread about the value of man, and a man admits he finds sex that involves a man using his body for pleasure "disturbing", it makes my brain implode,

A. Because the essence of man is not between their legs

B. It's not in how they fuck

C. Man fucks the end

Oh btw receiver does not equate bottom nor submissive.

Snow, I get the "brain imploding" reaction and the feelings associated with that. I do.

But I really do believe Ender was saying so much more than what he alluded to early on in his post.

To me......and I really do think to Ender, as well (he can correct me if I'm wrong)......what I've pasted below is where he really wanted to end up with regard to that part of his post.

What is most critical, I think, is where we end up......not where we started. And it sounds as if Ender has done a lot of observing, questioning, and soul-searching.

Originally Posted by EnderD_503

But having witnessed the diversity within the trans/male id community, I ask why I even care that others aren't like me, consider male/masculine what I don't consider male/masculine, and why a guy gives birth, why a guy doesn't start taking T the minute he admits to himself who he truly is, why a guy has sex with other guys.

The truth is, I don't care, nor judge them, and I realise that all the negative thoughts/beliefs I had regarding guys (and this including biological males who were "feminine") who did these things when I was younger was because I somehow thought that their identity/expression would somehow damage my own worldview on what is male and female, masculine and feminine, and that somehow that would damage my own expression of maleness/masculinity