On Maleness, MaleID/Trans Masculinity, Expectations and Being "Less of a Man"

[Mister Bent]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I see many trans guys describing themselves and their experiences without the ick factor and many who do.

I am in full agreement that no one should denigrate "female" (or male, for that matter) regardless of how horrific is their personal experience, that's a case by case situation, and those "trans guys" should be educated.

It's really fucked up to be living in the wrong body. I wouldn't expect you to understand. No amount of projection will allow anyone who doesn't experience it to understand.

So I think it's really important to separate someone's personal "ick" and "squeamishness" from reading/hearing their words to mean an generalized attack on the feminine and female (which is not to say it doesn't happen, and this is where we need to educate and correct).

I don't participate much in these threads anymore because it feels like I'm supposed to pull down my pants, or talk about deeply personal shit in order to validate my experiences. It's GROSS, man and I'm not doing it.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

I am in full agreement that no one should denigrate "female" (or male, for that matter) regardless of how horrific is their personal experience, that's a case by case situation, and those "trans guys" should be educated.

It's really fucked up to be living in the wrong body. I wouldn't expect you to understand. No amount of projection will allow anyone who doesn't experience it to understand.

So I think it's really important to separate personal "ick" and "squeamishness" from reading/hearing someone's words to mean an generalized attack on the feminine and female.

I don't participate much in these threads anymore because it feels like I'm supposed to pull down my pants, or talk about deeply personal shit in order to validate my experiences. It's GROSS, man and I'm not doing it.

Yes, I would say we are in full agreement that neither the female or male should be denigrated.

No I don't know what it is like to live in the wrong body. I have never claimed that I did.

I personally do believe I belong in a female body and fully claim woman as my gender, but I am a stone butch and don't relate to having breasts, I have a cock (which is not a penis and not a toy), so I have my own issues and ways of relating to my body in non-typical female/woman ways. They may be small potatoes compared to being in the wrong body, but the parts of myself that I don't relate to I don't think of as ick.

I don't think you should have to pull down your pants or talk about anything you don't feel like discussing. I don't do much of that myself.