Legalization of drugs, pros and cons!

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

this is strictly my thoughts on the subject.

the netherlands have long ago given up on doing the drug battle. figuring out that they can not stop people from doing drugs if they so desire. you can sit in a cafe and order a joint of weed as an after dinner treat. you can also buy at shops as in california.

it is interesting to note that they dont have large issues with a lot of other drugs. they do have some problems with addicts but they treat their addicts as humans with problems, not bait for a long jail term. they give their addicts their drugs and clean equipment to use them.they also offer treatment to anyone wanting treatment, not a jail sentence. reason? so they dont go killing, maiming and stealing from people and causing huge grief. this also lowers the aids transmission.

there is a percentage of people destine to be addicts, no way around it.these people are humans and the cost of treatment is much lower then throwing people in jail. they feel that it is the christian thing to do and i agree with their train of thought.

what I do or someone else does in the privacy of their home is not the concern of the law. if i drive down the road and I am high , then the law has a right to do something then, just as they do if i am drunk.

we have laws in place to protect the safety of others. use them to control just as we do with alcohol.

there is a very high percentage of people walking around everyday taking prescibed or over the counter drugs which can be just as dangerous as many non legal drugs. little is done about that other then a warning on the label.

more violence is done in the name of illegal then there would be if they were legal. just look at the border issues and the deaths involved in the illegal trade. people getting tainted drugs and dying etc.

legalize it, regulate it and spend some money on drug treatment.

wolf

You have some good points, but Europe and other countries have been treating their people better for eons now. Think of how members of our community are treated there versus here. What works for them won't work for us until WE change, not just our policies.

Originally Posted by Nat

I think pot functions for many people as an anti-anxiety and anti-depressant med (that works better in many cases than anti-anxiety and anti-depressant meds). I would say maybe a third of the people I know (hey, I'm from Austin) are regular smokers, and most of them are pretty high-functioning (no pun intended) - even the wake-n-bakers. I knew a physics major at UT (which has a very difficult physics program) who made straight A's while smoking pot on a daily basis. I know another person who struggles with anorexia, and pot's the only thing that allows him to eat. Another friend of mine has fibromyalgia, and pot is one of the only things that helps her handle the pain. It probably helps many many people in this country endure dead-end miserable jobs. For some people, pot really is the only or best-working medicine available for them.

I may have figured out (a couple years ago) that it's not for me, but my experience with others is that most people who do use pot are more accepting, more understanding, warmer, calmer, less judgmental and more able to deal than people who don't - and that's something I can appreciate.

I think people's reactions to it vary, but there are many people you meet a day who are on mind- and mood-altering drugs. Some are legal and some aren't. Legal anti-depressant and anti-anxiety drugs are just one category of drugs that affect all sorts of brain function and are still perfectly legal. .

I agree that not all folks who smoke pot are dopes, lazy, etc. It's been my personal experience that most of those that I have come into contact with, and knew they were smokers, did fit many if not all of the stereotypes of pot smokers. I'm sure that I've come into contact with hundreds of thousands of people throughout my professional career that did smoke or do harder drugs and didn't know it. But since I don't know it, or them, my personal reference is skewed towards those I do know.

On a side note, there was a blurb on the news last night about a mother giving her 9 year old son pot. Apparently, it helps him cope with the anxiety and pain of being autistic. I'm all for medicinal use. It's the recreational use I have a difficult time with but when you look at all the other things we do to medicate ourselves (overeating, prescription drug abuse, etc), I think pot is at the bottom of our list of concerns.

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Let me be more clear.

I do not think one should go to work impaired, but I do not think what one does in one's off time is anyone's business.

There has to be a line, and for me testing what I do after hours or on vacation is not OK.

We have the right to privacy.

Invasive for me is a test at all, not how it is administered.

ps. also, some of the stereotypes of how smoking pot affects people are just not true.

I mentioned stereotypes above but you are right, it affects each person differently. I forget what movie it was but Woody Harrelson was in it and his character said that pot made him "try to take his pants off over his head".

*grin*

Although it's rare, I have seen folks become violent on it. A lot of people see stereotypes as a purely negative thing, but they exist simply because there are certain patterns of behavior that have been noticed with a particular type or person or whatnot. Stereotypes themselves are not bad. It's all in the usage and intent.

I agree that your time should be your own but your time off the clock ends the second before you clock in. Not everyone is going to use their common sense and say, "Hey, I go to work in an hour. I shouldn't have this drink." Or joint. Or pill. Or whatever. Because that shit doesn't exit your system immediately. It's in there for hours or days, depending on the substance.