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[charley]

Originally Posted by JDeere

I read it as well and it confused me too. I know what a terf is but the violence within the gltbqi community is ridiculous.

Terf is a trans exclusionary radical feminist.

Thanks, JDeere; okay, so I finally googled Wikipedia:

"They are, in short, a hate group that by no means represents mainstream feminism."

Ah, I now get that their violence is motivated by hatred - absolutely horrid. First, I learned about the incel movement because of the Toronto van killings, and now this! Am stunned!
Women grouping together (vigilantism) & beating up transfolk - mind-boggling.

[JDeere]

Originally Posted by charley

Thanks, JDeere; okay, so I finally googled Wikipedia:

"They are, in short, a hate group that by no means represents mainstream feminism."

Ah, I now get that their violence is motivated by hatred - absolutely horrid. First, I learned about the incel movement because of the Toronto van killings, and now this! Am stunned!
Women grouping together (vigilantism) & beating up transfolk - mind-boggling.

There have been transfolk who have beat up on TERF'S as well.

[*Anya*]

I really have not wanted to talk about this here.

I have no way of knowing how it would be received here but it is a very, very, big issue out in the rest of the lesbian world.

There are blogs upon blogs and posts in Tumblr and Twitter and forums, of a large group of transwomen advocating violence against lesbians that chose to not have sex with them, but chose to have sex only with biologically female lesbians.

I have seen and could post here- but won't- of some of the most vicious calls for violence against lesbians, as well as documented celebrations of actual violence against lesbians.

It has become a "thing" in the world outside of BFP.

It upsets me beyond measure.

TERF is a slur. It is a vile slur.

It is once again women being attacked.

You won't find gay men being attacked verbally or physically by transmen if they chose to have sex with only biologically gay men.

No, Only lesbians get this treatment.

What JDeere is referring to is the most recent experience in which a lesbian in a bar made a comment pereceived to be anti-transwomen, so a group of her friends, including the transwoman, beat the shit out of the lesbian outside the bar and then celebrated that they did this online afterward. I read all of their posts.

What the everlasting fuck??!

After all the years that lesbians fought for their right to exist and fuck who they choose, lesbians are being verbally and physically attacked within the queer community?

It feels to many lesbians that there is an attempt to erase us.

BFP has been a safe place for me. I have not had to deal with this here but out in the rest of the real world and the online community it is now happening.

[Femmewench]

I was so eloquent in my first version of this post. Then the ether ate it.

TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist) is to MtFs as incel (involuntarily celibate - men who can't find women willing to have sex with them) is to men. I don't owe anyone sex. To say that I do is to take away my right of self-determination.

And incels are talking online about getting what is owed to them - by force if necessary. This sounds remarkably similar to the group of MtFs who allegedly beat up the lesbian in the article. Give them what they want or they'll punish us. The first would be rape, and the second is battery. The amount of anger I felt reading that article stunned me.

Both reek to me of male privilege gone wrong. It's not the fact that the physical transition for the trans woman in the article isn't complete that ensures lesbians find her unattractive. It's the fact that anyone expects someone to have sex with them that makes them unattractive.

TERF is a term applied to us not adopted by us. And that slur doesn't effect me at all because it's not a descriptor of me. It does tell me all I would need to know about someone who uses the term.

I can't imagine living in a body which doesn't match my internal knowledge of my real self. It's not an excuse to belittle others or hurt others.

If I offended anyone with this post, please PM me. It was not my intent.

[*Anya*]

Originally Posted by Femmewench

I was so eloquent in my first version of this post. Then the ether ate it.

TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist) is to MtFs as incel (involuntarily celibate - men who can't find women willing to have sex with them) is to men. I don't owe anyone sex. To say that I do is to take away my right of self-determination.

And incels are talking online about getting what is owed to them - by force if necessary. This sounds remarkably similar to the group of MtFs who allegedly beat up the lesbian in the article. Give them what they want or they'll punish us. The first would be rape, and the second is battery. The amount of anger I felt reading that article stunned me.

Both reek to me of male privilege gone wrong. It's not the fact that the physical transition for the trans woman in the article isn't complete that ensures lesbians find her unattractive. It's the fact that anyone expects someone to have sex with them that makes them unattractive.

TERF is a term applied to us not adopted by us. And that slur doesn't effect me at all because it's not a descriptor of me. It does tell me all I would need to know about someone who uses the term.

I can't imagine living in a body which doesn't match my internal knowledge of my real self. It's not an excuse to belittle others or hurt others.

If I offended anyone with this post, please PM me. It was not my intent.

Thank you for this.