2020 Presidential Election

MsTinkerbelly · 04-28-2019, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl

I think if you've murdered someone you don't deserve to vote..because the person you've murdered won't ever ever ever get the chance to do something in this world again. You should lose that privilege and a few more. Sorry, if you disagree, but serving time will never make up for that loss to a family or the country. Other then that non violent crimes i'm fine with them retaining voting rights.

Not picking on you, just musing.....

Say you are right...what else shouldn’t they be able to do?

Drive a car?
Get married?
Have children?
Get life saving surgery?

I mean, of all the things their victim can never do again, we pick voting? Most felons will get out of prision, even murderers. They will have paid their debt as society decided it should be, so they keep on paying in an “eye for an eye” kind of trade-off?

Like I said, just musing.....

C0LLETTE · 04-28-2019, 08:26 AM

So, I did a bit of research on whether "citizenship" is a right or a privilege and found this:

"Citizenship is understood as a "right to have rights" since it serves as a foundation of fundamental rights derived from and protected by the Constitution and laws of the United States, such as the right to freedom of expression, vote, due process, live and work in the United States, and to receive federal assistance."
(Anonymously posted)

So, it would seem that to revoke someone's right to vote, you'd have to first go through the process of revoking their citizenship.

The Rights and Responsibilities of Canadian Citizens are outlined/defined somewhat differently and on the basis of a Charter. The issue of prisoners voting was settled by the Supreme Court in 2002.

Kathleen Harris · CBC News · Posted: Aug 25, 2015 :

"More than 22,000 federal inmates eligible to vote ...

Polling stations will be set up in Canadian prisons on Oct. 9 so inmates can exercise their right to vote.

When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars.

Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated.

In the last federal election in 2011, voter turnout was 54 per cent in penitentiaries, not far below the 61 per cent who exercised their democratic right in the general population.

"They are part of the polity and they want to be part of the democratic process," Catherine Latimer, executive director of The John Howard Society of Canada, told CBC News.

Prisoners are informed voters, advocate says

Because prisoners have time to read and watch television news, they are just as informed - if not even more so - than Canadian voters on the outside, she said. Kits will also be distributed to help them with the voting process.

A 2002 Supreme Court of Canada judgment gave federal prisoners the right to vote on constitutional grounds, ruling 5-4 that voting is a fundamental right in a democracy.

kittygrrl · 04-28-2019, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

Not picking on you, just musing.....

Say you are right...what else shouldn’t they be able to do?

Drive a car?
Get married?
Have children?
Get life saving surgery?

I mean, of all the things their victim can never do again, we pick voting? Most felons will get out of prision, even murderers. They will have paid their debt as society decided it should be, so they keep on paying in an “eye for an eye” kind of trade-off?

Like I said, just musing.....

Ms Tinkerberry, I always enjoy hearing your thoughts! As to your musings...as to what other things i think a murderer should not have access to...I haven't given it that much thought but lets start with guns, running for a public office, having custody of minor children in a divorce settlement..at least...you bought up paying for their crimes, but exactly how can you pay for taking a life???..will serving a sentence restore that person's life? There is nothing that this person can ever do to repay that debt. And while it's just my perspective, I'm very comfortable living with it. I don't want a known murderer living next door to me. Not very woke, I suppose but i would feel threaten ...

MsTinkerbelly · 04-28-2019, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl

Ms Tinkerberry, I always enjoy hearing your thoughts! As to your musings...as to what other things i think a murderer should not have access to...I haven't given it that much thought but lets start with guns, running for a public office, having custody of minor children in a divorce settlement..at least...you bought up paying for their crimes, but exactly how can you pay for taking a life???..will serving a sentence restore that person's life? There is nothing that this person can ever do to repay that debt. And while it's just my perspective, I'm very comfortable living with it. I don't want a known murderer living next door to me. Not very woke, I suppose but i would feel threaten ...

All are good points, thank you for sharing your thoughts!

kittygrrl · 04-28-2019, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

All are good points, thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Ms Tinkerbelly..you always make me think and smile at the same time! It's very welcoming ty

C0LLETTE · 04-28-2019, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

All are good points, thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Wish I had your skills, MsTinkerbelly

MsTinkerbelly · 04-28-2019, 11:10 AM

Did you all see where Joe Biden raised over $6 million on his first day?

My biggest fear has come to pass...unless someone ( anyone) can pull a rabbit out of their hats, it will come down to a bunch of white men fighting it out in the end for the nomination.

Older America is going to vote for good old Joe, and younger America is going to vote for Bernie; the party will be split, and the orange POS will win again.

Fun times!

MsTinkerbelly · 04-28-2019, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Wish I had your skills, MsTinkerbelly

After multiple time outs, I have learned to bite my tongue. It is practically ground meat at this stage of my life, but I get to keep this community for another day.

Sometimes it’s hard to be me

Kätzchen · 04-28-2019, 11:53 AM

I miss reading posts by Anya and the links to articles she used to supply on forum boards, concerning political issues. I often wonder what she'd say or what kernel of truth might emerge by Anya sharing with the community.

I've been quietly thinking about a plethora of things, mainly fall-out type things, concerning all the ways the pillars of American democracy are under assault and crumbling daily, under the dictatorship of the current WH occupant. In my mind, it's like an unveiling of the massive prejudicial attitudes which have long been a part of the fabric of American life: Inequalities present in everyday life which affect people because of their color, orientation, or other particular status' relevant to each person, in individual and collective ways. It's terribly painful, truly.

I hold hope that unexpected voices will make their choices heard when it comes time to elect people to VIP positions in DC and beyond.

I think our country deserves better than the end result of the 2016 election.

Last I remember, Anya was going to devote personal time to helping out in the S. California League of Women's Voters. I always wonder where she is and how she is doing.

I appreciate reading member's posts in Dark_Crystal's 2020 Presidential Election forum thread. I think DC made some highly articulate points in recent posts, so I am grateful for her latest thoughts about conformity and I think conformity definitely plays a critical role in how people make decisions, whether it is personal decisions in their own life, or how they perceive making useful decisions which impacts the greater community at large, in collective ways.

I think both DC and MsTinkerbelly have made critical arguments on ways we (the general 'we') might see another split among party-lines, concerning voting issues. But I have always been concerned about voting rights, the suppression and opposition to voting rights, and matters inextricably linked to voting processes, which in the end, as we've seen for the past decade or so, has affected the outcome of particular voting/election processes.

Like many, I think America is done with Toxic Politics and Toxic forms of oppression and I hold faith and hope that the next election in 2020 will produce a better result, so we and allies across the world, are spared another four years of the monster (and their cronies) currently residing in the WH.

Martina · 05-07-2019, 10:55 PM

I have to say I am seeing more Dems attacking other Dems. It's a primary. I guess you have to. But after my choice of Bernie and Kamala, I just don't care. I don't hate any of the other candidates although with Booker I come close. That Tulsi Gabbard definitely makes me uncomfortable. But really, none is so God awful that I wouldn't vote for them if they got the nomination.

A lot of mainstream Dems are getting on Socialist sites and shaking their little fists, saying you better vote blue no matter what. That shit so backfires. And the progressives picking apart every vote and decision the mainstream Dems have made have me rolling my eyes. I'm like, no shit, they're Democrats.

It is frustrating though. Trump is actually looking stronger. And the world, IMO, is getting more fucked up by the day. The news about the environment is terrifying. It would be good to field a strong alternative who could excite independents and disaffected Republicans.

The thing about Kamala is that people respect her. I think that is especially meaningful in this election. People might view her as someone who could make them feel safe. Bernie can really inspire people. Mayor Pete, people seem to like. We definitely need a candidate people can feel good about voting for for whatever reason. We can't risk another hold your nose candidate. Or even an I don't care that much candidate. It doesn't matter what quality, whether it's strength or vision or whatever, we definitely need someone people can feel good about voting for.

04-28-2019, 11:53 AM	#9
Kätzchen Member How Do You Identify?: As a very feminine woman. Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near smoke signals in the sky. Posts: 16,209 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 29,450 Thanked 33,611 Times in 10,707 Posts Rep Power: 21474868	I miss reading posts by Anya and the links to articles she used to supply on forum boards, concerning political issues. I often wonder what she'd say or what kernel of truth might emerge by Anya sharing with the community. I've been quietly thinking about a plethora of things, mainly fall-out type things, concerning all the ways the pillars of American democracy are under assault and crumbling daily, under the dictatorship of the current WH occupant. In my mind, it's like an unveiling of the massive prejudicial attitudes which have long been a part of the fabric of American life: Inequalities present in everyday life which affect people because of their color, orientation, or other particular status' relevant to each person, in individual and collective ways. It's terribly painful, truly. I hold hope that unexpected voices will make their choices heard when it comes time to elect people to VIP positions in DC and beyond. I think our country deserves better than the end result of the 2016 election. Last I remember, Anya was going to devote personal time to helping out in the S. California League of Women's Voters. I always wonder where she is and how she is doing. I appreciate reading member's posts in Dark_Crystal's 2020 Presidential Election forum thread. I think DC made some highly articulate points in recent posts, so I am grateful for her latest thoughts about conformity and I think conformity definitely plays a critical role in how people make decisions, whether it is personal decisions in their own life, or how they perceive making useful decisions which impacts the greater community at large, in collective ways. I think both DC and MsTinkerbelly have made critical arguments on ways we (the general 'we') might see another split among party-lines, concerning voting issues. But I have always been concerned about voting rights, the suppression and opposition to voting rights, and matters inextricably linked to voting processes, which in the end, as we've seen for the past decade or so, has affected the outcome of particular voting/election processes. Like many, I think America is done with Toxic Politics and Toxic forms of oppression and I hold faith and hope that the next election in 2020 will produce a better result, so we and allies across the world, are spared another four years of the monster (and their cronies) currently residing in the WH. __________________ “The way someone treats you is not a reflection of your worth: It’s a reflection of their emotional capacity,” — Jillian Turecki. I’m doing my part, as an American citizen, who is concerned about losing our Democracy: I boycott agencies and businesses and service providers who do not support the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Support Democracy: Vote Blue Last edited by Kätzchen; 04-28-2019 at 11:57 AM.

05-07-2019, 10:55 PM	#10
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,283 Times in 4,166 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	I have to say I am seeing more Dems attacking other Dems. It's a primary. I guess you have to. But after my choice of Bernie and Kamala, I just don't care. I don't hate any of the other candidates although with Booker I come close. That Tulsi Gabbard definitely makes me uncomfortable. But really, none is so God awful that I wouldn't vote for them if they got the nomination. A lot of mainstream Dems are getting on Socialist sites and shaking their little fists, saying you better vote blue no matter what. That shit so backfires. And the progressives picking apart every vote and decision the mainstream Dems have made have me rolling my eyes. I'm like, no shit, they're Democrats. It is frustrating though. Trump is actually looking stronger. And the world, IMO, is getting more fucked up by the day. The news about the environment is terrifying. It would be good to field a strong alternative who could excite independents and disaffected Republicans. The thing about Kamala is that people respect her. I think that is especially meaningful in this election. People might view her as someone who could make them feel safe. Bernie can really inspire people. Mayor Pete, people seem to like. We definitely need a candidate people can feel good about voting for for whatever reason. We can't risk another hold your nose candidate. Or even an I don't care that much candidate. It doesn't matter what quality, whether it's strength or vision or whatever, we definitely need someone people can feel good about voting for. __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin

04-28-2019, 08:26 AM	#2
C0LLETTE Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Depends on the day. Preferred Pronoun?: "I" and "we" Relationship Status: Very good. Thank you for asking. Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 11,501 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 16,676 Thanked 15,171 Times in 4,339 Posts Rep Power: 21474860	So, I did a bit of research on whether "citizenship" is a right or a privilege and found this: "Citizenship is understood as a "right to have rights" since it serves as a foundation of fundamental rights derived from and protected by the Constitution and laws of the United States, such as the right to freedom of expression, vote, due process, live and work in the United States, and to receive federal assistance." (Anonymously posted) So, it would seem that to revoke someone's right to vote, you'd have to first go through the process of revoking their citizenship. The Rights and Responsibilities of Canadian Citizens are outlined/defined somewhat differently and on the basis of a Charter. The issue of prisoners voting was settled by the Supreme Court in 2002. Kathleen Harris · CBC News · Posted: Aug 25, 2015 : "More than 22,000 federal inmates eligible to vote ... Polling stations will be set up in Canadian prisons on Oct. 9 so inmates can exercise their right to vote. When Canadians vote in the federal election in October, thousands will cast their ballot from behind bars. Inmates in federal prisons and provincial jails are eligible to vote for a candidate in the riding where they lived before they were incarcerated. In the last federal election in 2011, voter turnout was 54 per cent in penitentiaries, not far below the 61 per cent who exercised their democratic right in the general population. "They are part of the polity and they want to be part of the democratic process," Catherine Latimer, executive director of The John Howard Society of Canada, told CBC News. Prisoners are informed voters, advocate says Because prisoners have time to read and watch television news, they are just as informed - if not even more so - than Canadian voters on the outside, she said. Kits will also be distributed to help them with the voting process. A 2002 Supreme Court of Canada judgment gave federal prisoners the right to vote on constitutional grounds, ruling 5-4 that voting is a fundamental right in a democracy.

04-28-2019, 11:10 AM	#7
MsTinkerbelly Timed Out - TOS Drama How Do You Identify?: ... Preferred Pronoun?: ... Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ... Posts: 6,573 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 30,737 Thanked 22,901 Times in 5,017 Posts Rep Power: 0	Did you all see where Joe Biden raised over $6 million on his first day? My biggest fear has come to pass...unless someone ( anyone) can pull a rabbit out of their hats, it will come down to a bunch of white men fighting it out in the end for the nomination. Older America is going to vote for good old Joe, and younger America is going to vote for Bernie; the party will be split, and the orange POS will win again. Fun times!