2020 Presidential Election

[kittygrrl]

yes..although true Biden is not my first choice.. At least I know what I get when it's Joe. I have no clue about the others really, i've only heard rumors and formed opinions .. At least with Joe, you know although he's not perfect, he has experience, he's not a racist, or a billionaire, and he cares

[BullDog]

I think Joe Biden by far has the best chance to beat Trump and I have no objection to him either. He is also the only one who just might be able to sway a few Republicans in the Senate to get things passed. It's still a long shot because of how they tow the party line, but he is the one who possibly could do it. He has working relationships with some of them. People act like that's a bad thing. Do you want legislation to get passed or not? I don't think he is going to sell us out to some right wing agenda.

[Orema]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I think Joe Biden by far has the best chance to beat Trump and I have no objection to him either. He is also the only one who just might be able to sway a few Republicans in the Senate to get things passed. It's still a long shot because of how they tow the party line, but he is the one who possibly could do it. He has working relationships with some of them. People act like that's a bad thing. Do you want legislation to get passed or not? I don't think he is going to sell us out to some right wing agenda.

I have problems with Biden for the reasons Ace listed and more. I also remember the bussing issues in the late 1960s and 1970s—my father fretted over that for a long time and ended up sending me to a private school to avoid the haters that were stoked by politiicians like Biden. Still, I'd rather have Biden in office than Trump or any other Republican for that matter and that's what it boils down to for me.

I'm committed to voting for the Democratic nominee whether it's Bernie or Biden.

[BullDog]

I watched the entire Anita Hill hearings and she was treated horribly by the Republicans and it's those people who treated her horribly who are at fault for that, not Biden's as far as I am concerned. I suppose as Chairman he could have done more but it's a bit Monday morning quarterbacking to me, and Senators do get to have their say and pontificate and ask their questions and I think Biden would have basically have had to have broken Senate tradition to stop them from asking their "questions" and that never happens.

I just think it's unrealistic to think he could have done a lot more to change things and he wasn't the one who treated her badly. Perhaps I am wrong.

Again, I do think it was absolutely horrible how Anita Hill was treated and I hate, hate, hate that Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court.

Now we have Kavanaugh who is even worse. Ugh.

[Orema]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I watched the entire Anita Hill hearings and she was treated horribly by the Republicans and it's those people who treated her horribly who are at fault for that, not Biden's as far as I am concerned. I suppose as Chairman he could have done more but it's a bit Monday morning quarterbacking to me, and Senators do get to have their say and pontificate and ask their questions and I think Biden would have basically have had to have broken Senate tradition to stop them from asking their "questions" and that never happens.

I just think it's unrealistic to think he could have done a lot more to change things and he wasn't the one who treated her badly. Perhaps I am wrong.

Again, I do think it was absolutely horrible how Anita Hill was treated and I hate, hate, hate that Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court.

Now we have Kavanaugh who is even worse. Ugh.

Monday morning quarterbacking? Hardly.

For a number of us, this isnt a grudge that happened after the fact. The anger and frustration is real and is a direct result of the hearings.

Biden was an ass who, as usual, made it easy for the for republicans to shame Hill and replace Marshall with Thomas.

[BullDog]

I did watch the entire thing but it was a long time ago.

If a bunch of Democrats treated someone badly the Republicans would never blame themselves and ensue with in-fighting. It would never happen. Another assist to the enemy.

I don't think of Biden as acting as an ass as usual and no I don't think it was Biden's fault. Anyone who wants to think that of course can.


Clarence Thomas was confirmed by a vote of 52-48. It was mostly on party lines but 11 asshole Democrats voted for him. Biden wasn't one of them - he voted against. It could have been stopped but the Blue Dogs voted for him

There were also 2 Republicans who voted against. One was Jim Jeffords from Vermont who later became an Independent and caucused with the Democrats so not sure I would count him as a Republican really. The other Republican who voted against Thomas was Bob Packwood - who had to resign from the Senate later when multiple women came forward on sexual assault charges.

The Democrats technically had the votes. It should have been stopped. Personally I don't see it as Biden's fault. I'm sure he could have done better but the one thing he could control he did - he voted against the nomination.

52-48

Democrats who voted for Thomas


Richard Shelby (Alabama)
Dennis DeConcini (Arizona)
Sam Nunn (Georgia)
Whyche Fowler (Georgia)
Alan J. Dixon (Illinois)
J. Bennett Johnston (Louisiana)
John Breaux (Louisiana)
J.James Exon (Nebraska)
David L. Boren (Oklahoma)
Ernest Hollings (South Carolina)
Chuck Robb (Virginia)

Republicans who voted against Thomas

Jim Jeffords (Vermont)
Bob Packwood (Oregon)


Discussing politics online is just way too aggravating. I just need to stop for my own peace of mind.