2020 Presidential Election

dark_crystal · 10-02-2019, 05:12 AM

When it comes to "free" stuff like college and health care i am absolutely fine with paying more taxes.

As someone who watched my father's career become obsolete due to technology, and whose own career is constantly held up as an example of a job technology could do (it can't), i believe that more and more people are going to be automated out of their jobs. Retail is collapsing and trucking is on its way out, and those are massive swathes of the population. We are not going to have jobs for all of those people. This is the worst time in history to be talking about personal responsibility.

People whose jobs become obsolete should seek retraining, of course. But if they can't afford it, or simply are not smart enough, or get too depressed and demoralized to try, or get mad at the world and resolve to suck the government teat as revenge, should that be a literal death sentence?

When the safety net is thin, or has holes in it, and we leave those holes or make them bigger, what we are saying is that it is ok for some people to fall through and literally die of exposure, starvation, or lack of health care.

That might have been true in the pre-industrial era, but i think a country that produces billionaires should have enough of a safety net to ensure that every single person is at least minimally housed and fed, whether they deserve it or not. We don't have to keep them comfortably, but we do have to keep everyone alive, i think.

i do not care if people are lazy. Laziness should not get you cast out onto the street and left to starve, in this day and age-- in past eras, yes, sure, maybe everybody needed to pull their weight. But in a society where one guy (Jeff Bezos) can make $4,475,885 per hour i just don't see how we can accept people dying from insulin rationing or of exposure from sleeping under a bridge somewhere.

There is no morality under which one guy "deserves" to make $4,475,885 per hour and another guy "deserves" to starve on the street. No achievement gap that big can actually exist between two human persons. Bezos may be a superior human to some degree, but it is not possible that anyone at all can be that superior to anyone else.

nhplowboi · 10-02-2019, 11:02 AM

Not as quick as we would like in this day of modern and fast technology......it all starts to tumble down. Sorry Donnie...we're coming for you.

Apocalipstic · 10-02-2019, 12:32 PM

*not reposting Ms. Tinkerbelly's post* But wanted to let you know I have reported it as hate speech.

I really tried not to say anything, but I don't want anyone to look at this thread and in any way think its okay to suggest human beings should be shot.

Kelt · 10-02-2019, 12:52 PM

I guess I would rather see both the public and the candidates focus their conversation on how to fix situations rather than who to blame for them. There will be plenty of time to figure out who gets what once there’s anything to get. The United States is deeply in debt. The systems that we use for distributing benefits and entitlements to the people who need them is so broken that we likely waste more money on inefficiencies then we spend actually helping people. It’s my belief that we could do a lot more with the tax revenues already being collected if we would do the hard work of revamping our benefit distribution systems utilizing the tools that have been developed in this century. That of course, will depend on the Congress and Senate doing their respective jobs.

When it comes to folks volunteering themselves and others to pay higher taxes or other folks fighting hard to keep their incomes in their own pockets I think each case is different. A person paying something like 15 to 25% as their effective tax burden might well be willing to kick in a couple more percentage points. On the other hand, an individual already paying over 50% might be less willing to do so. Most people ultimately vote their wallet. People receiving benefits paid for by others are very likely to vote for more. The folks paying for them are less likely to do so.

I don’t like either extreme end of the stick and just wish there were more moderate choices.

MsTinkerbelly · 10-02-2019, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apocalipstic

*not reposting Ms. Tinkerbelly's post* But wanted to let you know I have reported it as hate speech.

I really tried not to say anything, but I don't want anyone to look at this thread and in any way think its okay to suggest human beings should be shot.

It is of course your right to report as you wish.

I stand by my statement, although this may not have been the place to express an honest opinion. I’ll work on not saying everything that crosses my mind.

Have a nice day.

~ocean · 10-02-2019, 01:44 PM

Donald sings to Melania

The_Lady_Snow · 10-02-2019, 02:20 PM

Zero days WITHOUT White nonsense

#nohoodsrequired

#imaproudborderjumper
#fuckyou

The_Lady_Snow · 10-02-2019, 02:28 PM

You can't call me a parasite cause your kid can't get a job, you can erase your volatile verbiage but we see you

I've ZERO academic education, yet I managed to steal the jobs of poor White folk.

Maybe it's your daughter's issues and not ours

10-02-2019, 05:12 AM	#1
dark_crystal Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: jenny Preferred Pronoun?: babygirl Relationship Status: First Lady of the United SMH Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,445 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,532 Thanked 26,551 Times in 4,688 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	When it comes to "free" stuff like college and health care i am absolutely fine with paying more taxes. As someone who watched my father's career become obsolete due to technology, and whose own career is constantly held up as an example of a job technology could do (it can't), i believe that more and more people are going to be automated out of their jobs. Retail is collapsing and trucking is on its way out, and those are massive swathes of the population. We are not going to have jobs for all of those people. This is the worst time in history to be talking about personal responsibility. People whose jobs become obsolete should seek retraining, of course. But if they can't afford it, or simply are not smart enough, or get too depressed and demoralized to try, or get mad at the world and resolve to suck the government teat as revenge, should that be a literal death sentence? When the safety net is thin, or has holes in it, and we leave those holes or make them bigger, what we are saying is that it is ok for some people to fall through and literally die of exposure, starvation, or lack of health care. That might have been true in the pre-industrial era, but i think a country that produces billionaires should have enough of a safety net to ensure that every single person is at least minimally housed and fed, whether they deserve it or not. We don't have to keep them comfortably, but we do have to keep everyone alive, i think. i do not care if people are lazy. Laziness should not get you cast out onto the street and left to starve, in this day and age-- in past eras, yes, sure, maybe everybody needed to pull their weight. But in a society where one guy (Jeff Bezos) can make $4,475,885 per hour i just don't see how we can accept people dying from insulin rationing or of exposure from sleeping under a bridge somewhere. There is no morality under which one guy "deserves" to make $4,475,885 per hour and another guy "deserves" to starve on the street. No achievement gap that big can actually exist between two human persons. Bezos may be a superior human to some degree, but it is not possible that anyone at all can be that superior to anyone else. __________________

10-02-2019, 12:32 PM	#3
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10-02-2019, 01:44 PM	#6
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10-02-2019, 02:20 PM	#7
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10-02-2019, 02:28 PM	#8
The_Lady_Snow MILLION $$$ PUSSY How Do You Identify?: Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?: Iconic Ms. Relationship Status: Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: La Reina del Sur Posts: 22,488 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 32,231 Thanked 80,077 Times in 15,670 Posts Rep Power: 21474874	I said what I said You can't call me a parasite cause your kid can't get a job, you can erase your volatile verbiage but we see you I've ZERO academic education, yet I managed to steal the jobs of poor White folk. Maybe it's your daughter's issues and not ours __________________ "If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden

10-02-2019, 11:02 AM	#2
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10-02-2019, 12:52 PM	#4
Kelt Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Beach Butch Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,751 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 19,765 Thanked 15,285 Times in 2,538 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	I guess I would rather see both the public and the candidates focus their conversation on how to fix situations rather than who to blame for them. There will be plenty of time to figure out who gets what once there’s anything to get. The United States is deeply in debt. The systems that we use for distributing benefits and entitlements to the people who need them is so broken that we likely waste more money on inefficiencies then we spend actually helping people. It’s my belief that we could do a lot more with the tax revenues already being collected if we would do the hard work of revamping our benefit distribution systems utilizing the tools that have been developed in this century. That of course, will depend on the Congress and Senate doing their respective jobs. When it comes to folks volunteering themselves and others to pay higher taxes or other folks fighting hard to keep their incomes in their own pockets I think each case is different. A person paying something like 15 to 25% as their effective tax burden might well be willing to kick in a couple more percentage points. On the other hand, an individual already paying over 50% might be less willing to do so. Most people ultimately vote their wallet. People receiving benefits paid for by others are very likely to vote for more. The folks paying for them are less likely to do so. I don’t like either extreme end of the stick and just wish there were more moderate choices.