Politics-What's on your mind?

[Orema]

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

I agree with you. The Evangelicals want a nuclear first strike on Iran and they have been wanting that for decades. They see this as a step in the right direction. This will help him

And the Evangelicals aren't the only ones wanting to hit Iran.

I think, at best, Trump will get more votes. At worst, he's solidified the votes he's already received.

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by Orema

And the Evangelicals aren't the only ones wanting to hit Iran.

I think, at best, Trump will get more votes. At worst, he's solidified the votes he's already received.

I'm not sure why Americans feel they have a right to attack Iran. If they got out of the Middle East, removed their troops, nobody would be attacking them. If it's a question of protecting "interests", negotiate those fairly and with consideration of the rights of other countries and nations. Maybe we get peace that way", when the concept of "winning, winning" gives way to cooperative fairness. I don't see how we survive otherwise.

Also, can anyone really imagine the USA sitting on a boiling, angry Muslim world forever? It's absurd and stupid. Seems to me they ought to be trying to work it all out, as the small eruptions occur, because the large uncontainable eruption is sure to occur, sooner or later ( and that later eruption just might destroy my childrens' and grandchildrens' lives.

Religion, religion, religion...far as i can understand, no reason to think Christianity is in any way superior to any other religion nor is being "White' in any way superior to any other skin colour or culture but I do believe this is the combo-crossover rationale for grabbing everything. ie: if you're a Christian, we'll work out a way for you to keep your shit, otherwise.........

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

. . . The Evangelicals want a nuclear first strike on Iran and they have been wanting that for decades. They see this as a step in the right direction. . .

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

I'm not sure why Americans feel they have a right to attack Iran . . .

Also, can anyone really imagine the USA sitting on a boiling, angry Muslim world forever? . . . and that later eruption just might destroy my childrens' and grandchildrens' lives.

Religion, religion, religion...far as i can understand, no reason to think Christianity is in any way superior to any other religion nor is being "White' in any way superior to any other skin colour or culture but I do believe this is the combo-crossover rationale for grabbing everything. ie: if you're a Christian, we'll work out a way for you to keep your shit, otherwise.........

As I recall from my youthful days as a fundamentalist evangelical, they think they not only have a right to attack anywhere in the Middle East, they think it is prophesied in the "End Times". They believe the Middle East will end up in control of the world, and the USA will not be "sitting on a boiling, angry Muslim world"; the USA will lose. The fundamentalist Christians believe anything they can do to help this along is not only their right, it is the word of God. Their rationale is not "grabbing everything"; it's to hurry up the Rapture. And obviously, whatever any other religion/culture believes doesn't matter to these people. They deeply believe it's a foregone conclusion.

As I said, my exposure to these beliefs was in my youth, so my memory may be faulty on the exact details. Anyone who knows "what fundamentalists believe" - (heh) - is welcome to jump in and correct me.

[kittygrrl]

Doesn't it say in the Christian Bible "the meek shall inherit the earth"? Wishing or encouraging for Atomic bombs to or for another country doesn't seem "meek" to me..Also,
hurrying the rapture seems counterproductive if you are busy trying to learn godliness..that can take a lifetime.......or more. Personally, if (godliness) is my goal, i'd like as much time as possible to work on it.

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

Doesn't it say in the Christian Bible "the meek shall inherit the earth"? Wishing or encouraging for Atomic bombs to or for another country doesn't seem "meek" to me..Also,
hurrying the rapture seems counterproductive if you are busy trying to learn godliness..that can take a lifetime.......or more. Personally, if (godliness) is my goal, i'd like as much time as possible to work on it.

I never said it made any sense. I quit trying to make sense out of all the contradictions in the Christian Bible and the "Christian" teachings I was getting a long time ago. But I agree with you, I'd like more time rather than less.

[kittygrrl]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaMa'am

I never said it made any sense. I quit trying to make sense out of all the contradictions in the Christian Bible and the "Christian" teachings I was getting a long time ago. But I agree with you, I'd like more time rather than less.

GeorgiaMa'am i found your remarks interesting and they made me think of my own history...i spent a lot of time in my youth pursuing religious truth..thru catholicism, southern baptist, presbyterian, and church of god...and studied other parts of Christianity..i don't regret it and honor the gods however they present themselves ..but i've been a devotee of the goddess for many years..i find many parts of Christianity puzzling..i'm sure that is why i was so restless for a long time...the gods have given us many paths and i am grateful..

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaMa'am

As I recall from my youthful days as a fundamentalist evangelical, they think they not only have a right to attack anywhere in the Middle East, they think it is prophesied in the "End Times". They believe the Middle East will end up in control of the world, and the USA will not be "sitting on a boiling, angry Muslim world"; the USA will lose. The fundamentalist Christians believe anything they can do to help this along is not only their right, it is the word of God. Their rationale is not "grabbing everything"; it's to hurry up the Rapture. And obviously, whatever any other religion/culture believes doesn't matter to these people. They deeply believe it's a foregone conclusion.

As I said, my exposure to these beliefs was in my youth, so my memory may be faulty on the exact details. Anyone who knows "what fundamentalists believe" - (heh) - is welcome to jump in and correct me.

I shouldn't have given the impression I was referring only to "evangelicals". I was referring to American global policy ( which is "white-Christian" centric ) in general. Middle east is just the best current example.

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

I shouldn't have given the impression I was referring only to "evangelicals". I was referring to American global policy ( which is "white-Christian" centric ) in general. Middle east is just the best current example.

It's the same colonialist attitude that's been going on for centuries except now it's American not French, British, Spanish, etc.

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

I shouldn't have given the impression I was referring only to "evangelicals". I was referring to American global policy ( which is "white-Christian" centric ) in general. Middle east is just the best current example.

Thanks for the explanation. I see now where you were going with that.

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by cathexis

Ha, even his base will eventually start to doubt his objects and that means beginning with their womynfolk. Feminists need to be right there providing alternatives, information, and explanations.

TG there are organizers and leaders. My hat's off to them. I could never get into running for any party leadership. Not that socially diplomatic with POS, though some leftists can do it. They deserve their choice of the bust of Marx, Goldman, or Che Guevara.

We need folks more out in the street, up in peoples' grills, fire-bombing empty recruitment stations to "Set It Off." I'll keep doing what I do best, put me in a locked (or not) and give us whatever research is needed current or past. That will be the lion's share. I will carry an M-16 and sharp boot knife just in case of alt-right marauders (or any right-wings) all to be used for quick dispatch.

Careful and accurate handling of a long range rifle does not exceed my skill set, though.

Originally Posted by charley

Are you serious????

Originally Posted by Apocalipstic

I so hope and pray that we do not get to that point!

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

I'm not sure why Americans feel they have a right to attack Iran. If they got out of the Middle East, removed their troops, nobody would be attacking them. If it's a question of protecting "interests", negotiate those fairly and with consideration of the rights of other countries and nations. Maybe we get peace that way", when the concept of "winning, winning" gives way to cooperative fairness. I don't see how we survive otherwise.

Also, can anyone really imagine the USA sitting on a boiling, angry Muslim world forever? It's absurd and stupid. Seems to me they ought to be trying to work it all out, as the small eruptions occur, because the large uncontainable eruption is sure to occur, sooner or later ( and that later eruption just might destroy my childrens' and grandchildrens' lives.

Religion, religion, religion...far as i can understand, no reason to think Christianity is in any way superior to any other religion nor is being "White' in any way superior to any other skin colour or culture but I do believe this is the combo-crossover rationale for grabbing everything. ie: if you're a Christian, we'll work out a way for you to keep your shit, otherwise.........

Religion has long been an excuse for attacking other cultures. I prefer the rational approach to life without religious belief and the wars that ensue.

Yes, I dead seriously want a revolution and believe that the US is as ready as it's ever been. The country is angry, polarized, and could very well ignite into civil war. Instead of internal conflict, the anger needs to be redirected to revolution against this regime which is why some adept organizers need to emerge. With the assistance of other socialist countries, the angst should be directed toward socialism.

Indeed, I would take up arms for the revolution I've been waiting for most of my life. Having become a socialist in my early teens after beginning a course of study in the history of the USSR and Marxism which is ongoing.
It is, IMHO, the only reasonable course of action. We need social and economic justice for all of the disenfranchised poor who deal with the
disparity on a daily basis.

Billionaires running to be the Democratic nominee, how absurd can it get?

[charley]

Originally Posted by cathexis

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Indeed, I would take up arms for the revolution I've been waiting for most of my life.

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Fantasy to have lived during the time of the Weathermen... and been a part of their group. Wait a minute... reality check! They failed. I think I saw that on TV. Waste of energy.

[charley]

I am presently watching Part 2 of Rachel Maddow's interview of Lev Parnas (associate of Giuliani). I saw the 1st part yesterday.

Thank goodness for Rachel Maddow and other journalists who are making such facts accessible to us.

OMG, what corrupt lawyers associated with Trump! Parnas had to fire the lawyers that Trump (through his lackeys) dumped on him, because they urged him to refuse to cooperate.

These people, all those associated with Trump are so corrupt, so evil, it's incredible.

The Republican controlled Senate will undoubtedly refuse to find Trump guilty, because they are all so corrupt. I hope they all lose their seats. Of course, considering how corrupt a large sector of American voters are, there is always a possibility that Trump may even get re-elected; and this time, I would not be surprised if that happens.

Maddow has also pointed out that the Federal watchdog Government Accountability Office (GAO) has found that the (OMB - White House's Office of Management and Budget) violated law by withholding Ukraine aid, in other words, Trump broke the law.

These politicians who cover for Trump all lack integrity - in other words, they will use any and all means to realize their agenda. There are way too many people like that in the world. The world has become a very dark place.

I sit quietly and safely in another country, and watch in horror.

So, the impeachment trial is about to begin.

[~ocean]

Originally Posted by charley

I am presently watching Part 2 of Rachel Maddow's interview of Lev Parnas (associate of Giuliani). I saw the 1st part yesterday.

Thank goodness for Rachel Maddow and other journalists who are making such facts accessible to us.

OMG, what corrupt lawyers associated with Trump! Parnas had to fire the lawyers that Trump (through his lackeys) dumped on him, because they urged him to refuse to cooperate.

These people, all those associated with Trump are so corrupt, so evil, it's incredible.

The Republican controlled Senate will undoubtedly refuse to find Trump guilty, because they are all so corrupt. I hope they all lose their seats. Of course, considering how corrupt a large sector of American voters are, there is always a possibility that Trump may even get re-elected; and this time, I would not be surprised if that happens.

Maddow has also pointed out that the Federal watchdog Government Accountability Office (GAO) has found that the (OMB - White House's Office of Management and Budget) violated law by withholding Ukraine aid, in other words, Trump broke the law.

These politicians who cover for Trump all lack integrity - in other words, they will use any and all means to realize their agenda. There are way too many people like that in the world. The world has become a very dark place.

I sit quietly and safely in another country, and watch in horror.

So, the impeachment trial is about to begin.

Yes Charley WE KNOW ALL ABOUT IT !! and WE will take care of it ~ now pay attention just in case YOUR country has a bad leader ! I also adore Rachel Maddow. I think that's all I have to say

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by ~ocean

Yes Charley WE KNOW ALL ABOUT IT !! and WE will take care of it ~ now pay attention just in case YOUR country has a bad leader ! I also adore Rachel Maddow. I think that's all I have to say

Now,~ocean, do you really think a situation like we have would happen in Canada? Maybe I'm wrong, but they seem less hot-tempered and more level headed. We've always had our Second Amendment re-interpreting militia types, unlike many other more stable countries.

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by charley

Fantasy to have lived during the time of the Weathermen... and been a part of their group. Wait a minute... reality check! They failed. I think I saw that on TV. Waste of energy.

If you recall your New American Left history, the Weathermen group was not completely dissolved until the mid-2010s. Well after they had reiterated their policy of non-harm to human life. The objective of the Weathermen was damage to property in keeping with their anti-capitalist values. No Socialist or Communist group that I am aware of has, as a primary goal the killing of people, it's antithetical to the praxis of Communism.

For a 1960s-70s revolutionary group, they were quite successful and outlasted most of their genre. Definitely, not a movie of the week event. The Weathermen accomplished most of their goals from anti-Vietnam War actions to the Brink's armored car heist spanning some fifty years.