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[Linus]

Originally Posted by CamBAMF

the last estimate I heard was 1 out of 12000 males are MTF and 1 out of 34000 females are FTM... but I did also hear that gap was closing. and these estimates were taken when I was like 8 years old.

Uh... you mean those the other, right? Otherwise, that means that FTMs (males) outnumber MTFs (Females).

Okay I'll admit the fighting off statment was incredibly sexist.

And that really, to me, was the only issue.

but what I really think is, we are argueing over a toilet here. C'mon. a toilet. seriously. If he doesnt do it out of fear, and does it for the pink motif. Who cares. Is he hurting someone? If not then I dont see the issue. If he does it for shock value, to get a rise out of people, for attention then everyone who decided to make a big deal out of this just handed him everything he wanted... No I dont agree with doing things for attention, but I know attention seekers love it when they are the center of the debate...

I'm just saying.

But it does present problems for FTMs. One of the challenges is that I'm viewed as having privilege and then wanting to be part of women's only situations (which a bathroom/locker room fit into). (never mind what the Christian Right uses this stuff for). It, to me, smacks of abusing privilege and beyond.

[CamBAMF]

Originally Posted by Linus

Uh... you mean those the other, right? Otherwise, that means that FTMs (males) outnumber MTFs (Females).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this or I said it backwards
but if 1 out of 12000 are MTF and 1 out of 34000 are FTM- Then isn't there a 3:1 ratio of MTF:FTM

34000/12000 = 2.8333 rounded to 3 for the sake of the equation

so...
in a group of 34000 people there will be an estimated 3 MTF and 1 FTM.
or did I majorly fuck this up?

lol

[Linus]

Originally Posted by CamBAMF

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this or I said it backwards
but if 1 out of 12000 are MTF and 1 out of 34000 are FTM- Then isn't there a 3:1 ratio of MTF:FTM

34000/12000 = 2.8333 rounded to 3 for the sake of the equation

so...
in a group of 34000 people there will be an estimated 3 MTF and 1 FTM.
or did I majorly fuck this up?

lol

No.. it's the part where you said:

"males are MTF and 1 out of 34000 females are FTM..."

MTFs are women.

FTMs are men.

[The Oopster]

Originally Posted by Linus

No.. it's the part where you said:

"males are MTF and 1 out of 34000 females are FTM..."

MTFs are women.

FTMs are men.

Originally Posted by CamBAMF
the last estimate I heard was 1 out of 12000 males are MTF and 1 out of 34000 females are FTM... but I did also hear that gap was closing. and these estimates were taken when I was like 8 years old..

I woindered if that wasn't what you were talking about. It sort of caught me, but I figured cam was quoting a study and guessed the study was referring to 1 out of 12000 identified as males at birth are MTF so actually identify as woman and 1 out of 34000 identified at birth as female are FTMs so actually identify as men.

[CamBAMF]

yea thats what I saw... Thanks!

[CamBAMF]

Originally Posted by Linus

No.. it's the part where you said:

"males are MTF and 1 out of 34000 females are FTM..."

MTFs are women.

FTMs are men.

oh my mistake, I was refering to biological males and female- the gender before transistioning. so odds are 1 out of 34000 females is transgender and will transition into a male.