Cause & Affect: A Femme's Influence On The Friendships Between Butches and Transmen

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by waxnrope

oh! sorry, I misinterpreted your intent. this, then, is a thread for femmes, right. I'll just read respectfully and keep to the other thread then.
Thanks for clarifying ...

Originally Posted by Sam

No need to make anything clear with me.

No actually we never have/had been friends.

Its a public thread and i will make comments.

I dont like stereotyping, so i commented. I did not target you, just the words you used.

and im not listening, im reading!

I think we should leave the femmes to their thread.

I personally appreciated it when Snow suggested that we just keep our thread butch/trans as she saw that this made the most sense, due to the originally stated goal of the thread.

If this is what you want, Snow, maybe it would be more clear cut if you moved it to the Femme Zone?

I guess I kind of assumed that AtLast put her thread in the Relationships, Communities, and Groups forum so that she did not have to choose between the butch or trans zone, since it is for both groups of people.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I think we should leave the femmes to their thread.

I personally appreciated it when Snow suggested that we just keep our thread butch/trans as she saw that this made the most sense.

If this is what you want, Snow, maybe it would be more clear cut if you moved it to the Femme Zone?

I guess I kind of assumed that AtLast put her thread in the Relationships, Communities, and Groups forum so that she did not have to choose between the butch or trans zone.

Well no, my intent was for it to be here.... I think it sucks that I have to go into Femme Zone.

I don't want to go tag base just to feel safe

Make sense?

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Well no, my intent was for it to be here.... I think it sucks that I have to go into Femme Zone.

I don't want to go tag base just to feel safe

Make sense?

Absolutely. And now I will take my leave. :-)

ETA: And you also did say that it was for anyone other than those that identify as Butches or Transmen (so maybe that is another reason why you wouldn't want it in the femme zone).

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

I guess I kind of assumed that AtLast put her thread in the Relationships, Communities, and Groups forum so that she did not have to choose between the butch or trans zone, since it is for both groups of people.

You assumed correctly. I just didn't want the thread to appear one, or any-sided. Plus, I was trying to get away from gender as the issue because I was trying to get to communication, friendship interaction and the differences between what we might experience online and off. Which, sure appears to be different and both the butches and transguys are doing a great job of showing this.

Whatever gender identification one has is a given in that thread, and not up for translation or discussion. It is who and what the person is, period. Talking about some of the issues as friends or perhaps political commrades is what that thread is really about.

LOL... I honestly wasn't going after much about the influence of femmes on us all, but, in reading this thread, I think it is a good idea. I have had some personal interactions dating in which a couple (meaning just 2) femmes were hell-bent on making the butch they really wanted (to which I said, you really are looking for someone else, and that is OK). But, there is no way I am going to put that in the context of all, or even most femmes. After all, I don't know all femmes. And others that I have dated did not do this at all.

Thanks for the thread, Snow and all. This is important for me as a butch to read.