It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Kobi

[Corkey,

I hear what you are saying. I could respond in kind i.e. saying people are undocumented rather than illegal is just a marketing ploy to take legal immigration out of the picture and make ilegal immigration more palatable.

And, illegals or undocumented workers do not only take "menial jobs". I have worked with many who are doing office type work and quite proud to tell me how they came here on a visitors visa or a student visa with no intention of ever leaving.

The media hype works both ways. You can say I listen to the wrong media but then again what makes yours the correct one?

It is all in the eyes of the beholder. None of us know the "truth". And to espouse one truth is more right than another is wrong.

We are a country of immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants. Tho they came in legally and put up with waiting lists and quotas and racism.

I may not agree with your take on things but I respect your right to feel differently. And, I dont have the need to be rude or belittling about it. It doesnt make either of us right or wrong. It just means we see it differently.

Wow. Thats how a respectful conversation evolves.



QUOTE=Corkey;139717]Kobi, sincerely, there is no such thing as an illegal person. Undocumented certainly, but illegal, no. The knee jerk reaction as you call it is that you have voiced what FUAX news wants to be repeated, it isn't news and it isn't correct. White americans will not do the jobs that undocumented immeragrents do, that is a fact. Please I grew up in a very Latino rich county. All the farm workers were paid a below minimum wage, the farm owners can't afford to pay them more, because we don't pay the farmer a decent dollar for the produce we consume. It is an economic nightmare that these undocumented face. Human rights for all, or none of us have them.

[/QUOTE]

Kobi, you have every right to your opinion on all of this. I differ, many others do as well. I really do believe you are not getting factual information, however, about immigrant (both legal/undocumented/illegal) workers. Also, those on the student visa's etc. are here doing a job totally within the law. If they believe they will be able to stay in the US in light of what is going on, they are mistaken. There will be immigration reform. My hope is that this reform stops how these workers are treated here. The bigotry against Latin populations in the US is sickening.

Also, just making the kinds of assumptions you are about a person working here under a visa and wanting to stay is bothersome. Why someone that is better employed (than what is available from their home country), getting an education and, oh.. paying taxes as a immigrant with a visa (it is a legal status, thus reports for income are made to the IRS and and state taxing agency necessary), wreaks of racism to me. Why are you even talking about such people in this discussion? Frankly, folks with an education job skills seem like people I want here! I hope the visa process leads to citizenship for them!

I like you, Kobi, but I am having a problem with this. Just have to disagree, I guess. But, I hope you will begin research on the fact that it is whites that are the largest population of welfare in the United States, bar none! Not, non-whites or immigrants (illegal or otherwise). And all poor people without health insurance are using our public health care funding! I don't mind this, either. Health care is a right, not a privilege as far as I'm concerned and when people are not able to have things like communicable diseases treated... it becomes a health risk for all. This very same thing happens all around the world. Why do you think traveling persons need to get certain shots?

I am not blind to there being less and less funding available for social services, education, etc. But I do not buy that this is due to illegal immigrants. Stop and take a look at how funding is done in this country as a matter of politics.

[SuperFemme]

I think if politicians were really serious about fighting undocumented workers? That they'd have super harsh laws for the businesses and individuals that hire them.

Especially in the construction/manufacturing industries, where jobs would NOT get done w/o these workers. Why you might ask? Because the employer who hires them has no responsibility. No workers comp, no insurance, a worker can lose a limb and they are quickly replaced. No compensation happens.

It's a basic supply and demand issue. It seems far more logical to go after the sources of demand than the supply showing up to meet that demand.

[The_Lady_Snow]

First Arizona passes a law that specifically targets a group of people..

THEN Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program.

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/inde...s_law_tar.html



I ask you sincerely Kobi, where you think this is not only about immigration, this is a blatant attack on a group of people...

It looks like to me from this angle that Brewer is all about whitening up her state....

Pretty shitty next thing she will want to put homos in lil camps...



Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.


-Martin Luther King, Jr.

[SuperFemme]

Have you all read Texas' new GOP Platform?

http://www.theocracywatch.org/texas_gop.htm

Scary times my friends. Scary times. TX also wants to rid it's state of what it calls "multiculturalism". Meaning that the material taught in school is designed to depict WHITE Judeo Christian Americans.