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09-06-2010, 02:40 PM
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Well then , I will take My boa and Tiara and party else where !
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09-06-2010, 02:56 PM
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09-06-2010, 03:03 PM
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Yeah I would still book with them just because I don't follow a group of people of what they did or don't do.
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09-06-2010, 03:09 PM
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 I have a tough time deciding what the intentions are of Olivia when on one hand they are raw and uncensored about how folks who are not strictly identifying as Lesbian may be given the atmosphere of 'unwelcome' and on another hand ~ they are willing to book an event and state that all will be made to feel welcome. It's a monetary move from them, to me...and not one from their hearts, and certainly it seems 'strained' for them to bend their rules to do so. Our Community, to me...encompasses ALL of us who represent the rainbow. So yes, it is their intentions that I find hard to narrow in on...and to me, that is important. 
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09-06-2010, 03:15 PM
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Mountain Star I will not be able to go on the Lesbian cruise this October for various reasons unfortunately. I would love to go in future. As a lesbian I enjoy lesbian events and gatherings.
Since this thread is about a lesbian gathering perhaps it could be moved to the "Lesbian Zone" so wimmin can discuss the cruise without wading through pages of lesbophobia.
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09-06-2010, 03:16 PM
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09-06-2010, 03:25 PM
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Ohhhhhhhhh Olivia...
I would have to say not going anytime in this lifetime, as long as their trans policies stand. Have fun though Mountain Star I hear cruises are fun! It was nice to come in here and not have a finger wagged at chu and belittled over opinions.
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09-06-2010, 03:30 PM
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This is me giving a BIG eyeroll.
Olivia Cruises not making space for trans folks is more along the lines of transphobia, not "lesbophobia". Again, how am I to couch my displeasure for that as a lesbian who is married to a trans person? It breaks my heart that I am made to feel silenced and hush hush if I have anything that is other than positive to say about anything lesbian related. I'm a lesbian. Trust me, I've got nothing against myself, and simply have stated the facts regarding the Olivia Cruises policy. If the OP wanted only YES answers, I didn't read it that way. |
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09-06-2010, 03:35 PM
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09-06-2010, 03:37 PM
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Cyclopea - This will be your one and only warning. If you have only come back to participate in an incendiary manner, "rally the troops", or shit-stir, I highly suggest you rethink your interactions. The Olivia Cruise topic is not "owned" by the Lesbian community, and we will not start segregating this site into areas where "wimmin's" topics are policed/fenced/separated into a space where only people of "approved" identities are allowed to discuss them. Thanks, Medusa (Admin voice)
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09-06-2010, 03:49 PM
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09-06-2010, 04:16 PM
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Knowing what you know , and a good chance of you not getting your money back , you would go ahead and book anyway Not sure this has anything to do with being a follower ....But you have money like that to burn , I say go for it ,but I wouldn't bother packing your bags 
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09-06-2010, 05:01 PM
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As a transman, I personally am heartened by the support of my lesbian sisters here. To me, I don't see this as a lesbian-phobic issue as much as I think it is a stand against the lack of inclusiveness by some of the lesbian community.
An issue like this only serves to remind me that there are people, even my own, who will include me, even if it is only as an ally, as well as those, even my own, who will exclude me because of the fact that I had to make a journey to search for, discover and become who I am. My personal appreciation, love, support and respect goes out to the inclusive lesbian trans ally community. To me, it is important that we realize that to be included, whether it's on a cruise or in just general society, with all its benefits and responsibilities, is what this fight is all about for all of us?? Respectfully, ~Theo~ 
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09-06-2010, 05:55 PM
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I have got to the point in My life that , if I or My butch brothers are not welcome somewhere , fuck em ! I will take My money and My brothers and go else where ! And if these idiots thought about what they where missing out on, they would see they could be making alot more money and meet some awesome folks that they choose to not associate with ...
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09-06-2010, 06:40 PM
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Olivia's response to my inquiry on their trans policy
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"Olivia GuestServices" <GUESTSERVICES@OLIVIA.COM> Add sender to Contacts Hello - Olivia strives to provide an all Lesbian environment but we have had MTF transgendered guests join us on our vacations. Although we do not discriminate, you will find that your presence is upsetting to some of our guests. Some will confront you directly asking "why are you on my Lesbian vacation?" I imagine it would be even harder for our guests to accept someone FTM. I know this is discouraging, but it is important for you to understand because it disrupts the Olivia experience we work hard to provide for our guests. If you have any questions or need anything more please feel free to e-mail me at guestservices@olivia.com or call 800-631-6277, option 2. Thank you, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jeri Umble sr. director, customer care olivia 434 brannan street san francisco ca 94107 415.962.5700 tel 415.962-5713 fax feel free www.olivia.com |
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09-06-2010, 08:21 PM
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Who's to say they would turn me away from going on the trip?
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