Olivia Cruisers? Carribean Sun Cruise October 30th

Cyclopea · 09-06-2010, 03:15 PM

Mountain Star I will not be able to go on the Lesbian cruise this October for various reasons unfortunately. I would love to go in future. As a lesbian I enjoy lesbian events and gatherings.
Since this thread is about a lesbian gathering perhaps it could be moved to the "Lesbian Zone" so wimmin can discuss the cruise without wading through pages of lesbophobia.

Gayla · 09-06-2010, 03:16 PM

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The_Lady_Snow · 09-06-2010, 03:25 PM

Ohhhhhhhhh Olivia...

I would have to say not going anytime in this lifetime, as long as their trans policies stand.

Have fun though Mountain Star I hear cruises are fun!

It was nice to come in here and not have a finger wagged at chu and belittled over opinions.

SuperFemme · 09-06-2010, 03:30 PM

This is me giving a BIG eyeroll.

Olivia Cruises not making space for trans folks is more along the lines of transphobia, not "lesbophobia".

Again, how am I to couch my displeasure for that as a lesbian who is married to a trans person?

It breaks my heart that I am made to feel silenced and hush hush if I have anything that is other than positive to say about anything lesbian related. I'm a lesbian.

Trust me, I've got nothing against myself, and simply have stated the facts regarding the Olivia Cruises policy.

If the OP wanted only YES answers, I didn't read it that way.

Words · 09-06-2010, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Mountain Star I will not be able to go on the Lesbian cruise this October for various reasons unfortunately. I would love to go in future. As a lesbian I enjoy lesbian events and gatherings.
Since this thread is about a lesbian gathering perhaps it could be moved to the "Lesbian Zone" so wimmin can discuss the cruise without wading through pages of lesbophobia.

So when 'wimmin' condemn the absence of inclusiveness, it's lesbophobia?

Really?

Medusa · 09-06-2010, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Mountain Star I will not be able to go on the Lesbian cruise this October for various reasons unfortunately. I would love to go in future. As a lesbian I enjoy lesbian events and gatherings.
Since this thread is about a lesbian gathering perhaps it could be moved to the "Lesbian Zone" so wimmin can discuss the cruise without wading through pages of lesbophobia.

Cyclopea -

This will be your one and only warning. If you have only come back to participate in an incendiary manner, "rally the troops", or shit-stir, I highly suggest you rethink your interactions.

The Olivia Cruise topic is not "owned" by the Lesbian community, and we will not start segregating this site into areas where "wimmin's" topics are policed/fenced/separated into a space where only people of "approved" identities are allowed to discuss them.

Thanks,
Medusa
(Admin voice)

Cyclopea · 09-06-2010, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Cyclopea -

This will be your one and only warning. If you have only come back to participate in an incendiary manner, "rally the troops", or shit-stir, I highly suggest you rethink your interactions.

The Olivia Cruise topic is not "owned" by the Lesbian community, and we will not start segregating this site into areas where "wimmin's" topics are policed/fenced/separated into a space where only people of "approved" identities are allowed to discuss them.

Thanks,
Medusa
(Admin voice)

I certainly did not intend to participate in an incendiary manner "rally the troops" or shit-stir. I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I suggested that posting about a lesbian event in the lesbian zone might decrease the dozens of "oh hell no I'm not going- I'm not a lesbian" posts, which yes, feel phobic to me. I will PM you on the matter and hopefully make myself clearer. I'm not sure why my suggestion warrants such seemingly harsh moderation but I would like to understand so I can avoid being singled out in such a manner in future. Thank you for your patience.

The_Lady_Snow · 09-06-2010, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

I certainly did not intend to participate in an incendiary manner "rally the troops" or shit-stir. I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I suggested that posting about a lesbian event in the lesbian zone might decrease the dozens of "oh hell no I'm not going- I'm not a lesbian" posts, which yes, feel phobic to me. I will PM you on the matter and hopefully make myself clearer. I'm not sure why my suggestion warrants such seemingly harsh moderation but I would like to understand so I can avoid being singled out in such a manner in future. Thank you for your patience.

I would like to clarify that nowhere in my post did I come off with an intent to be anti lesbian.

Matter of fact lesbian was not even in my post.

So since you are making sweeping generalizations, I would like to say that I would not attend Olivia Cruises NOT because they cater to lesbians, but because I could not comfortably go with the person I am with, reason being..

They are not trans friendly.

Cyclopea · 09-06-2010, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I would like to clarify that nowhere in my post did I come off with an intent to be anti lesbian.

Matter of fact lesbian was not even in my post.

So since you are making sweeping generalizations, I would like to say that I would not attend Olivia Cruises NOT because they cater to lesbians, but because I could not comfortably go with the person I am with, reason being..

They are not trans friendly.

I have PMed Medusa and feel after the strong warning given above I must be silent until it is all sorted out. I will get back to discuss with you Snow! I didn't want you to think I'm ignoring you...

The_Lady_Snow · 09-06-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticOceansFL

Yeah I would still book with them just because I don't follow a group of people of what they did or don't do.

This is odd to say Mystic, I am certainly not going cause I am some kind of sheeple and I am doing what ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the other people are doing.

I have never been on a cruise, so if I did have the money for one I would definitely pick one that caters to my needs and the persons needs I am going with.

NOT because my besties aren't going.

Not cool

Gayla · 09-06-2010, 04:15 PM

Does this have to turn into yet another us vs. them issue. I know we're into a whole new week now and all.

I think we can all agree that it's fact, not conjecture, that Olivia is not welcoming to many in our b-f community. If some of us choose not to give them our money, it doesn't make us lesbophobic.

Strappie · 09-06-2010, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

I certainly did not intend to participate in an incendiary manner "rally the troops" or shit-stir. I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I suggested that posting about a lesbian event in the lesbian zone might decrease the dozens of "oh hell no I'm not going- I'm not a lesbian" posts, which yes, feel phobic to me. I will PM you on the matter and hopefully make myself clearer. I'm not sure why my suggestion warrants such seemingly harsh moderation but I would like to understand so I can avoid being singled out in such a manner in future. Thank you for your patience.

Cy... I beg your pardon..

I am BUTCH and I am a LESBIAN and I am a WOMAN... I am not phobic to my fellow friends of any gender. We are all human...

Admin · 09-06-2010, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

I certainly did not intend to participate in an incendiary manner "rally the troops" or shit-stir. I'm not entirely sure what you mean. I suggested that posting about a lesbian event in the lesbian zone might decrease the dozens of "oh hell no I'm not going- I'm not a lesbian" posts, which yes, feel phobic to me. I will PM you on the matter and hopefully make myself clearer. I'm not sure why my suggestion warrants such seemingly harsh moderation but I would like to understand so I can avoid being singled out in such a manner in future. Thank you for your patience.

Cyclopea -

Actually no, what you suggested is that you would have to "wade through lesbophobia" unless this was in a Lesbian zone.

I will remind you again that this entire website is a "Lesbian Zone" so the insinuation that "wimmin's" topics are only "safe" in a separate zone (with an insinuated "Free from Lesbophobia") is absolutely incendiary.

And just so we are super clear: Being called out on problematic posting is not "being singled out", that is called "being treated like every other poster on this site".

Any further posts regarding this issue need to happen in a private message so this thread can continue.

Admin

09-06-2010, 03:15 PM	#1
Cyclopea Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Lesbian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Exit Zero Posts: 1,267 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,694 Thanked 1,615 Times in 632 Posts Rep Power: 226201	Mountain Star I will not be able to go on the Lesbian cruise this October for various reasons unfortunately. I would love to go in future. As a lesbian I enjoy lesbian events and gatherings. Since this thread is about a lesbian gathering perhaps it could be moved to the "Lesbian Zone" so wimmin can discuss the cruise without wading through pages of lesbophobia. __________________ http://forum.axishistory.com/images/...arious/eye.jpg

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09-06-2010, 04:15 PM	#11
Gayla Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Kinky Butch Top Preferred Pronoun?: I'm not picky Relationship Status: She makes me dance like a fool and forget how to breathe. Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SF CA Posts: 3,229 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 877 Thanked 7,077 Times in 1,966 Posts Rep Power: 0	Does this have to turn into yet another us vs. them issue. I know we're into a whole new week now and all. I think we can all agree that it's fact, not conjecture, that Olivia is not welcoming to many in our b-f community. If some of us choose not to give them our money, it doesn't make us lesbophobic.