Obama's Public Support of Michael Vick

[Glenn]

I Agree Jo.
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A trained fighter will tear off your face and organs and not stop until death. Vick and others trained killers. Huge difference in criminal behavior. I was attacked twice just standing around my house all because somehow one was loose... And I tell you folks, nothing short of a gun can stop them. Luckily, I was able to grab a 2x4 and a brick and that worked one time just enough to escape.

[Toughy]

German Shepherds have the strongest bite pressure of all dogs. As Blush pointed out, pits are way down on the list.

I have broken up plenty o dog fights, with pits and shepards and danes and labs............don't let labs fool you folks........Labs are in dog fights far more than pits at my work.....rotties, dobies and danes fight the least. I will break up a dog fight regardless of the breeds involved. The worst bite I have had came from one of those drop kick ankle biters......a mixed breed wirey white/grey little shit.....laughin....that was trying to attack a new dog (a bichon) to the pack.....

It's not the dog that is dangerous....it's the idiot that owns the dog that is dangerous.

Vick is doing a lot of work in inner cities.....he is using his 'hero' status to work with those who participate in dog fighting. A little research will show that Vick does get it and he is working with folks who are in dog fighting. He is doing what he can to change inner city dog fighting culture. He is just not making the news for his work.

suebee..........what does Vick need to do to 'prove he gets it'?

As to Obama............what the hell was he thinking?????

[JustJo]

Thought this was interesting... the link to the Humane Society's FAQ about their End Dogfighting program and Vick's involvement...

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by JustJo

Thought this was interesting... the link to the Humane Society's FAQ about their End Dogfighting program and Vick's involvement...

Thank you.

Cheers
Aj

[katsarecool]

I was the proud owner of Rottweilers for over twenty years. My last one passed away over a year ago. Originally I purchased his grandfather for protection after being sexually assaulted in Atlanta back in 1988. He was protective of me from day one as a seven week old puppy.

My vet told me that "we" must be obedienced trained. LOL He said the dog would listen to my commands up to a point; the point where he felt I was being threatened and then the dog would take over. Luckily, it never came to pass. Just the site of that 120 pound dog sitting on my feet facing a person he felt threatened by growling at him and baring his teeth was enough.

Many vets told me that the personality of dogs was determined by more than one factor. The breed somewhat. The amound of breeding with a dog with a gentle personality with another dog of similar traits. Or visa versa. He always advised gentle with gentle dogs. And the last is how the dog is treated by its owner. All comes into play.

My Rottie family were the most gentle and loveable of dogs. They were from a reputable breeder and when I bred my dogs I made sure the stud was a kind soul. We treated them like the little kings and queens they were.

I would however remind everyone that they should never allow a small child to be alone with any dog no matter how much you trust them. My nephew was left alone with his Rottie; began pulling the dogs whiskers out one by one was warned repeatedly by the dog it hurt(he was four) and the family dog did bite him in the face. My brother in law is a bit of a jerk like that; left the child alone with the dog despite repeated warnings.

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by katsarecool

I was the proud owner of Rottweilers for over twenty years. My last one passed away over a year ago. Originally I purchased his grandfather for protection after being sexually assaulted in Atlanta back in 1988. He was protective of me from day one as a seven week old puppy.

My vet told me that "we" must be obedienced trained. LOL He said the dog would listen to my commands up to a point; the point where he felt I was being threatened and then the dog would take over. Luckily, it never came to pass. Just the site of that 120 pound dog sitting on my feet facing a person he felt threatened by growling at him and baring his teeth was enough.

Many vets told me that the personality of dogs was determined by more than one factor. The breed somewhat. The amound of breeding with a dog with a gentle personality with another dog of similar traits. Or visa versa. He always advised gentle with gentle dogs. And the last is how the dog is treated by its owner. All comes into play.

My Rottie family were the most gentle and loveable of dogs. They were from a reputable breeder and when I bred my dogs I made sure the stud was a kind soul. We treated them like the little kings and queens they were.

I would however remind everyone that they should never allow a small child to be alone with any dog no matter how much you trust them. My nephew was left alone with his Rottie; began pulling the dogs whiskers out one by one was warned repeatedly by the dog it hurt(he was four) and the family dog did bite him in the face. My brother in law is a bit of a jerk like that; left the child alone with the dog despite repeated warnings.

I lost my rottie just a few months ago. I would love to have another but can't pay for a dog when so many need homes. It's my own thing. He was a gentle giant.

My advice to people who get specific breed is to research carefully the breed and what they instinctual enjoy or need. If they are a herding dog then stimulate his nature with herding play, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with a dog protecting his family IF the dog owner takes the proper steps to train and protect the public from their pet.

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by Toughy

The worst bite I have had came from one of those drop kick ankle biters......a mixed breed wirey white/grey little shit.....laughin....that was trying to attack a new dog (a bichon) to the pack.....

Hey Toughy, don't you think it's a little um, uncomfortable, that you use the phrase "drop kick dog" in a thread about animal abuse??

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by Waldo

Hey Toughy, don't you think it's a little um, uncomfortable, that you use the phrase "drop kick dog" in a thread about animal abuse??

Hey Waldo....

um.....no I don't find it uncomfortable.....I do have a sense of humor and I believe I inserted "laughin" in that thought to indicate the tone of the comment.

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suebee (and others)............truly I get the idea that nothing will change your mind about Vick. I don't think you (and several other folks) actually 'grok' the inner city/rural culture that breeds dog fighting and/or cock fighting. Do you really think he should take a camera crew with him when goes to the 'hood to have those one on one conversations with those who still do this? If he did that, would you then say he is not sincere cuz he is just doing it for the publicity?

Would y'all be as outraged if he had been involved in cock fighting and not dog fighting............I'd bet the odds are greatly in favor of a resounding no...............

happy new year.......

(besides I need go and call my UConn friends and rub it in that Stanford destroyed the winning streak and spanked them the whole game......GO STANFORD!!!!)

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Toughy

Hey Waldo....

um.....no I don't find it uncomfortable.....I do have a sense of humor and I believe I inserted "laughin" in that thought to indicate the tone of the comment.

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suebee (and others)............truly I get the idea that nothing will change your mind about Vick. I don't think you (and several other folks) actually 'grok' the inner city/rural culture that breeds dog fighting and/or cock fighting. Do you really think he should take a camera crew with him when goes to the 'hood to have those one on one conversations with those who still do this? If he did that, would you then say he is not sincere cuz he is just doing it for the publicity?
Would y'all be as outraged if he had been involved in cock fighting and not dog fighting............I'd bet the odds are greatly in favor of a resounding no...............

happy new year.......

(besides I need go and call my UConn friends and rub it in that Stanford destroyed the winning streak and spanked them the whole game......GO STANFORD!!!!)

Stanford, Schmanford. Bears STILL eat Cardinals! Go Bears!

Sorry, Toughy, family tradition couldn't be helped. (My sister went to Stanford, I went to Cal)

Cheers
Aj

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

Stanford, Schmanford. Bears STILL eat Cardinals! Go Bears!

Sorry, Toughy, family tradition couldn't be helped. (My sister went to Stanford, I went to Cal)

Cheers
Aj

laughing..............actually I'm a Baylor fan for the next couple of years............gotta love Griner.........so I agree.........laughin..........Go Bears!!

Originally posted by suebee
You can get whatever idea you want Toughy. I'm sure there is a big list of what other people would never consider forgivable. Your idea isn't based on my words - if you read my words, that is. Everything you've said here is presumptuous, at best. Do you have anything to say about Vick, or just the other members who are posting?

laughin............why the snark????? Obviously I read what you (and others) wrote and formed my opinion based on that. I also believe I did state my opinion about Vick. I also asked some questions for clarification and you didn't answer them...........soooooooooooooo.............I'm just saying without that clarification I am left with my stated opinion that you and some others don't see redemption for Vick under any circumstances.

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(the above line means I am making a general comment here and not directing the comment to any specific person)

I also think unexamined racism is at play with Vick. There is no redemption for this black man, however several white men can get away with anything.

[suebee]

Originally Posted by Toughy

laughin............why the snark????? Obviously I read what you (and others) wrote and formed my opinion based on that. I also believe I did state my opinion about Vick. I also asked some questions for clarification and you didn't answer them...........soooooooooooooo.............I'm just saying without that clarification I am left with my stated opinion that you and some others don't see redemption for Vick under any circumstances.

I've explained my position in great detail, and the only thing you have to say is that you get the "impression that.....". If you'd like to engage in a conversation with me I'd be glad to clarify. The only place where I've found any mention of Vick having any remorse about causing these animals pain and suffering was on the link that Aj sent me - and I addressed that. Do you have anything else to add?

[suebee]

[QUOTE=Toughy;256627]suebee (and others)............truly I get the idea that nothing will change your mind about Vick. I don't think you (and several other folks) actually 'grok' the inner city/rural culture that breeds dog fighting and/or cock fighting. Do you really think he should take a camera crew with him when goes to the 'hood to have those one on one conversations with those who still do this? If he did that, would you then say he is not sincere cuz he is just doing it for the publicity?

Would y'all be as outraged if he had been involved in cock fighting and not dog fighting............I'd bet the odds are greatly in favor of a resounding no...............
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You can get whatever idea you want Toughy. I'm sure there is a big list of what other people would never consider forgivable. Your idea isn't based on my words - if you read my words, that is. Everything you've said here is presumptuous, at best. Do you have anything to say about Vick, or just the other members who are posting?

[dixie]

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

I Agree Jo.
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A trained fighter will tear off your face and organs and not stop until death. Vick and others trained killers. Huge difference in criminal behavior. I was attacked twice just standing around my house all because somehow one was loose... And I tell you folks, nothing short of a gun can stop them. Luckily, I was able to grab a 2x4 and a brick and that worked one time just enough to escape.

I'm sorry you had to go thru this experience and am thankful you made it out safely. However, it is another misconception that ALL fighting dogs have human aggression as well. Once again, depends on how that dog is trained, handled and treated. As I said before, I've been around fighting dogs and former fighting dogs who have been completely gentle even with children. I've seen former fighting dogs of more variety than just pits, such as presa canario,cane corso, rottie and even malamutes that have been "rehabilitated" so to speak. No, I would not trust them entirely around other dogs because that was what they were trained to attack. The majority of fighting dogs are not trained to attack humans and in fact are trained to obey every command, even in the heat of a fight. Security dogs however usually ARE trained to be human aggressive. This is why not only a lot of drug dealers/gang members (statistics, not accusatory) but also misguided (IMO) family figures choose these animals and train them to be "on guard" and "protective". It literally is ALL about how these animals are TRAINED AND TREATED, whether they are for fighting, protection, or family pets. And sadly, sometimes no matter how good an animal is treated it has the capability to still turn on someone. What we seem to forget in our love for these animals is that they are in fact, STILL ANIMALS. They may have hundreds and even thousands of years of domestication in their bloodlines but those bloodlines STILL have some of the wild and free flowing in them also.

I mentioned early that my best friend had her face and fingers ripped off by a schnauzer. It was not a malnurished, abused animal. This was a wealthy neighbor's prize show dog and family pet. It had never before shown a single agressive trait or act before the incident. It was not provoked. My best friend was sitting at a table eating a cookie and talking to her mother and the neighbor when they dog attacked her. There was no warning, no indication. No animal's behavior can be totally predictive nor totally safe. This is the chance that we take when we open our homes and hearts to ANY creature. I say this as an animal lover, pet owner and realist.