Obama's Public Support of Michael Vick

[suebee]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Tell you what I will answer your question when you answer ours..

What would be an a good enough punishment for Vick?

You seem to have skipped over that particular question as well, as for ignoring this I am not advocating his heinous crimes, but I sure damn well am not gonna sit here quietly and watch the grossness that has happened in this thread and if you say that grossness has not happened I will point each and everyone out.

I've never spoken to the criminal punishment for several reasons: I don't believe it works, and for crimes such as animal abuse I don't think it comes close to changing something. There has to be a change in attitude - in core belief systems, before somebody gets it. I'm not judge or jury. I'd hate to be involved in the process because it's a system that is so far out of date, and continues because we as a society feel that we have to see something DONE. It's almost a moot point in my opinion, except some people actually NEED to be locked up for the protection of others.

Of course Vick was in prison for bankrolling dog fights, NOT animal abuse. But the fact that he never admitted to animal abuse during the trial process - and I read that the judge was actually harder on him because of his lack of apparent remorse - is easy to understand in that he grew up in that culture, and hadn't yet come to terms with the absolute horror of his actions.

I read the blog, and that's EXACTLY what *I* needed to hear from him. I asked several times if anybody had seen him apologize - thanks for finally posting it.

[blush]

Originally Posted by suebee

Of course Vick was in prison for bankrolling dog fights, NOT animal abuse. But the fact that he never admitted to animal abuse during the trial process - and I read that the judge was actually harder on him because of his lack of apparent remorse - is easy to understand in that he grew up in that culture, and hadn't yet come to terms with the absolute horror of his actions.

I read the blog, and that's EXACTLY what *I* needed to hear from him. I asked several times if anybody had seen him apologize - thanks for finally posting it.

You used the term "that culture?" Could you define "that culture?" I'm not sure what culture you're referring to, and I don't want to make assumptions.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by blush

You used the term "that culture?" Could you define "that culture?" I'm not sure what culture you're referring to, and I don't want to make assumptions.

I think she means grew up around dog fighting. Subsequently, the dog fighting was "normalized" and he was desensitized to it. It would make sense then that he would have no remorse. (however, I think that some personality types would never become accustomed to this...especially since the message from the larger culture is that this is not acceptable behavior...so there is a place where a counter message is being presented that could make a difference).

P.S. I actually have no knowledge if Vick grew up around dog fighting...I am assuming he did based on suebee's statement.

[suebee]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

*You* don't think Vick has gotten it, but in all honesty how do *you* know? like I said in my bolded post, he could prove ya'll wrong it ain't gonna matter, it's pretty fucking obvious cause a call for his death was voiced I don't see you having as much passion about it as you do an animal.

So yeah we aren't gonna agree.


Read his blog (I forgot to post it in my post)


http://globalgrind.com/channel/news/...what-ive-done/


Maybe then just maybe (I doubt it) you will be satisfied with his regrets.

Originally Posted by blush

You used the term "that culture?" Could you define "that culture?" I'm not sure what culture you're referring to, and I don't want to make assumptions.

Blush: if you click on Snowy's link you can read about it in Michael Vick's own words. That's what I was referring to by "that culture".

The region where I grew up had an underground culture of cock fighting - it would seem very similar to Vick's upbringing.

Sue

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by suebee

Blush: if you click on Snowy's link you can read about it in Michael Vick's own words. That's what I was referring to by "that culture".

The region where I grew up had an underground culture of cock fighting - it would seem very similar to Vick's upbringing.

Sue

suebee,

Just wanted to say that although you didn't indicate I was off track or anything, I should not have spoken for you. Not sure why I did that...maybe b/c it was an older thread and didn't know if you would come back here?

Regardless, I shouldn't have. Sorry.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Netflix is streaming Michael Vick's show called:

The Michael Vick Project



He was once the highest paid NFL star in history. He lost it all when he was convicted of bank rolling a dog fighting ring out of his own house. After two years in federal prison and losing everything he had, Michael Vick will attempt to make his way back as a football player, family man & role model

[J. Mason]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Netflix is streaming Michael Vick's show called:

The Michael Vick Project



He was once the highest paid NFL star in history. He lost it all when he was convicted of bank rolling a dog fighting ring out of his own house. After two years in federal prison and losing everything he had, Michael Vick will attempt to make his way back as a football player, family man & role model

This makes me sick to my stomach I can't believe he has his own show.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by J. Mason

This makes me sick to my stomach I can't believe he has his own show.

Yeah that's how I feel about the Anthony woman who killed her kid yet got no time, she's free yet everyone forgot about her.

He's done his time, he too should get a second chance.

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by J. Mason

This makes me sick to my stomach I can't believe he has his own show.

I'm very happy he has his own show. He has been working hard (in partnership with the Humane Society and others) across the country to end dog fighting. This show sounds like it will be another way for him to get the message of redemption and forgiveness out to others.

People can and do change. Vick deserves praise for what he is now doing.