"Butch" and "Femme" - Truly Antiquated Terms or More Marginalization?

[NotAnAverageGuy]

Originally Posted by Gemme

I don't think the attempt is to analyze (as in break down) anyone's ID, but to understand and learn from one another's IDs. If we can't learn from one another, then how in heck can we try to help those outside of our community understand or accept us?

I agree about learning but the bickering is what I see as a problem. I see bickering over words that define each and everyone of us, to me that is disturbing.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by NotAnAverageGuy

I agree about learning but the bickering is what I see as a problem. I see bickering over words that define each and everyone of us, to me that is disturbing.

*nods*

It is difficult to see past the clashing of terms, I admit. I do feel it's necessary to do so, so that there won't be friction between the members of our community.

It is oftentimes a slow, bumpy road though.

[NotAnAverageGuy]

Originally Posted by Gemme

*nods*

It is difficult to see past the clashing of terms, I admit. I do feel it's necessary to do so, so that there won't be friction between the members of our community.

It is oftentimes a slow, bumpy road though.

Agreed

and as far as feminizing touch goes, for me personally, touching my chest is feminizing. To me it is bad enough that I have them but it irks me to think of my partner touching me there.

[Dragonfly]

Notanaverageguy:

Just wanted to ask since you are here and answering... would a set of nails digging into your chest area during a passionate moment be the same to you as a partner touching them...?

[NotAnAverageGuy]

Originally Posted by Amelia

Notanaverageguy:

Just wanted to ask since you are here and answering... would a set of nails digging into your chest area during a passionate moment be the same to you as a partner touching them...?

yes, I don't like hands near that area at all, I prefer nails on the back

[Dragonfly]

NAAG: Thank you for explaining that. I know we are derailing the topic a bit. Some who ID the same as you do may feel differently to an extent.... but its still the same idea that I think a lot of people may sometimes get offended about. Like saying feminizing you is bad for you specifically because you are "better than" femme.... and not just as an issue of sexual likes related to how you are being you... and how you ID with your sexuality as well.

AND I wanted to add that like you NotAAG.... not many of the Bio born males I have been with got anything sexual out of my playing with their pepperonies. AND That does NOT mean they think females or femmes are not as cool as they are. Just didnt "do it" for them. I never thought they were masochistic or anti woman if they didnt really get off on a gal licking their taint either. I just went and found someone who liked what I like... and didnt get upset at them for being strait-forward. Like I hope no one gets with you...

AND I just had to say...I really tried not to....

THAT a few of them did like it. Some of them were not male IDed bio born males who had the typically male stereotyped sexual needs. They were kinky Heterosexual Id'ed bio born males... and they loved that I saw past what "bits" they were born with and let their kinkiness be OK.

[NotAnAverageGuy]

Originally Posted by Amelia

NAAG: Thank you for explaining that. I know we are derailing the topic a bit. Some who ID the same as you do may feel differently to an extent.... but its still the same idea that I think a lot of people may sometimes get offended about. Like saying feminizing you is bad for you specifically because you are "better than" femme.... and not just as an issue of sexual likes related to how you are being you... and how you ID with your sexuality as well.

AND I wanted to add that like you NotAAG.... not many of the Bio born males I have been with got anything sexual out of my playing with their pepperonies. AND That does NOT mean they think females or femmes are not as cool as they are. Just didnt "do it" for them. I never thought they were masochistic or anti woman if they didnt really get off on a gal licking their taint either. I just went and found someone who liked what I like... and didnt get upset at them for being strait-forward. Like I hope no one gets with you...

AND I just had to say...I really tried not to....

THAT a few of them did like it. Some of them were not male IDed bio born males who had the typically male stereotyped sexual needs. They were kinky Heterosexual Id'ed bio born males... and they loved that I saw past what "bits" they were born with and let their kinkiness be OK.

No problem, like Gemme said it should be part of the discussion so we can all learn, I know not everyone feels the same way as I do, hence me using the words to me and for myself, etc in posts.


Thank you for being honest and forthright with your posts, it opens my eyes up on other aspects.