Healthy Weight Loss

[ruffryder]

LOL Mist. I thought you were a Pepsi drinker. Coke sucks. I"M JK. . I think Coke has something similar if you're interested. . maybe Coke Zero? Not too bad on that drink for calories. I tend to like to stay away from sugar though and rather take my calories in food. haha. I may try it though as a substitute for a drink sometime and something different. Lipton makes good teas and mango passion sounds yummy. thanks bro.

[bigbutchmistie]

Originally Posted by ruffryder_0187

LOL Mist. I thought you were a Pepsi drinker. Coke sucks. I"M JK. . I think Coke has something similar if you're interested. . maybe Coke Zero? Not too bad on that drink for calories. I tend to like to stay away from sugar though and rather take my calories in food. haha. I may try it though as a substitute for a drink sometime and something different. Lipton makes good teas and mango passion sounds yummy. thanks bro.

LOL no worries bro. I have had coke zero. But this nutritionist has me staying away from soda completely even the zero's and diet. Because of the artificial sweetener. The reason why is because I have tried before to have the Coke ZERO but it still made me want a real coke. And I would cheat and soon be back to what I was eating before. I have to cut it out completely or I will go back...

[JustJo]

Originally Posted by bigbutchmistie

LOL no worries bro. I have had coke zero. But this nutritionist has me staying away from soda completely even the zero's and diet. Because of the artificial sweetener. The reason why is because I have tried before to have the Coke ZERO but it still made me want a real coke. And I would cheat and soon be back to what I was eating before. I have to cut it out completely or I will go back...

It's worth going cold turkey and stopping the soda completely. It's hard...but I found going off the artificial sweeteners helped me get rid of cravings for more than just soda. I find myself wanting sweets, junk food, fast food...all the "baddies' far, far less now that I'm off the artifical sweeteners completely.

[bigbutchmistie]

Ok not to be nasty or anything but I went to the Health Food store today. And was talking to the sales rep there about taking vitamins. I told her I was trying to get my weight down, and starting a life change.

She told me to do a Fifteen Day cleanse and flush. She told me that it would flush all of the "bad" out of my system. So I am on it. Im supposed to eat right, and take these supplements twice a day for 15 days

I will let you all know how it goes. Also, I am looking into Ali when I am done. I have friends who have tried it and it worked.

Just food for thought

[Zimmeh]

Please don't take this the wrong way; but the people who work at GNC or any other health food store are not trained on how vitamins work within our bodies. They are giving a *training* manual. If your curious about this, ask a dietician or nutritionist. That cleanse could hurt you in the long run. I don't believe in fad diets or quick ways of losing weight.

Please be careful.

Zimmy

Originally Posted by bigbutchmistie

Ok not to be nasty or anything but I went to the Health Food store today. And was talking to the sales rep there about taking vitamins. I told her I was trying to get my weight down, and starting a life change.

She told me to do a Fifteen Day cleanse and flush. She told me that it would flush all of the "bad" out of my system. So I am on it. Im supposed to eat right, and take these supplements twice a day for 15 days

I will let you all know how it goes. Also, I am looking into Ali when I am done. I have friends who have tried it and it worked.

Just food for thought

[bigbutchmistie]

Originally Posted by ZimmygLrL

Please don't take this the wrong way; but the people who work at GNC or any other health food store are not trained on how vitamins work within our bodies. They are giving a *training* manual. If your curious about this, ask a dietician or nutritionist. That cleanse could hurt you in the long run. I don't believe in fad diets or quick ways of losing weight.

Please be careful.

Zimmy

No problem Zimmy I appreciate it... I did consult a nutritionist about it. She swore by it as well. So, thats why I tried it. I believe like you that people that work at those places are there to just be the cashier's and really dont know. A friend of mine at work her aunt is a personal trainer/nutritionist. So, I made sure first before I purchased with a phone call... Thanks for the advice

[Gráinne]

Originally Posted by ZimmygLrL

Please don't take this the wrong way; but the people who work at GNC or any other health food store are not trained on how vitamins work within our bodies. They are giving a *training* manual. If your curious about this, ask a dietician or nutritionist. That cleanse could hurt you in the long run. I don't believe in fad diets or quick ways of losing weight.

Please be careful.

Zimmy

And be careful with Alli (I thought that wasn't even sold anymore). It works by blocking fat absorption from food, which results in pretty nasty side effects.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by guihong

And be careful with Alli (I thought that wasn't even sold anymore). It works by blocking fat absorption from food, which results in pretty nasty side effects.

Oh yes, those are some nasty side effects. Here's a link to what the Mayo Clinic has to say about Alli.

[Zimmeh]

My roommate used it and the guy literally lived in a bathroom if he ate the wrong type of food.

Zimmy

Originally Posted by guihong

And be careful with Alli (I thought that wasn't even sold anymore). It works by blocking fat absorption from food, which results in pretty nasty side effects.

[*Anya*]

Originally Posted by bigbutchmistie

Ok not to be nasty or anything but I went to the Health Food store today. And was talking to the sales rep there about taking vitamins. I told her I was trying to get my weight down, and starting a life change.

She told me to do a Fifteen Day cleanse and flush. She told me that it would flush all of the "bad" out of my system. So I am on it. Im supposed to eat right, and take these supplements twice a day for 15 days

I will let you all know how it goes. Also, I am looking into Ali when I am done. I have friends who have tried it and it worked.

Just food for thought

I hate to give unasked for advice but anyone and everyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is an unlicensed, unregistered title. Any of us can get the piece of paper on the Internet.

A Registered Dietician or an RD, is a degreed person and it is a profession into itself. They are the true nutritionist.

There are also Registered Nurses that are certified diabetic specialists and have additional education and certification with expertise in nutrition.

Our bodies naturally cleanse themselves. We do not retain "toxins" in our bowels. Yes they are full of flora and fauna (so-to-speak) but that is their job (as long as that is where they stay-nuff said about that in the morning).

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is very possible with too much "cleansing". My caveat is to be very careful with anything that you do. Check with your doctor to be sure and if you feel ill at all, stop.

Re: Alli. There is no easy way to lose weight. As with diet pills, there is always a cost when taking a short-cut.

I hope I do not offend but sometimes it is difficult to ignore my own training and background when I fear for the health of another.

[JustJo]

Originally Posted by Anya/Georgia

I hope I do not offend but sometimes it is difficult to ignore my own training and background when I fear for the health of another.

Speaking only for myself...please don't ignore your training and background...I think it's wonderful that you're here and have the training you do.

Weight loss is big business, and it seems to me that there's truly far more scams, dangerous drugs, scary treatments, etc. out there than there is good advice.

When I was reading the link that Miss Scarlett provided to the Mayo Clinic's website (and I trust the Mayo Clinic )....all of the posts and articles kept saying the same thing over and over in different ways.....

• there are no shortcuts
• there are no "magic pills"
• the only safe way to lose weight is to decrease calories and increase activity
• slow is safer
• a balanced diet is important
• eat more fruit and veggies, lean proteins, whole grains and drink more water

I wish there were a safe magic pill that could just solve the problem once and for all, but there simply isn't.

We have some code sayings in my family....one of them is "Tahiti is not an option." Doesn't mean that you can't actually go to Tahiti....you can ....it means that, for us, in that time and place, we have choices, but none of them is perfect, fun or easy.

For me, losing weight and getting healthier is like that.....it takes time, it takes work, and it takes making (sometimes) difficult choices.

[Miss Scarlett]

Great post Jo, thank you!

Back in January i posted in this thread about my weight loss and my doctor. i also included my food plan. Here's the link to that post.

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by JustJo

Speaking only for myself...please don't ignore your training and background...I think it's wonderful that you're here and have the training you do.

Weight loss is big business, and it seems to me that there's truly far more scams, dangerous drugs, scary treatments, etc. out there than there is good advice.

When I was reading the link that Miss Scarlett provided to the Mayo Clinic's website (and I trust the Mayo Clinic )....all of the posts and articles kept saying the same thing over and over in different ways.....

• there are no shortcuts
• there are no "magic pills"
• the only safe way to lose weight is to decrease calories and increase activity
• slow is safer
• a balanced diet is important
• eat more fruit and veggies, lean proteins, whole grains and drink more water

I wish there were a safe magic pill that could just solve the problem once and for all, but there simply isn't.

We have some code sayings in my family....one of them is "Tahiti is not an option." Doesn't mean that you can't actually go to Tahiti....you can ....it means that, for us, in that time and place, we have choices, but none of them is perfect, fun or easy.

For me, losing weight and getting healthier is like that.....it takes time, it takes work, and it takes making (sometimes) difficult choices.

honestly.... knowing what I know today? I don't trust the medical field even a little bit. I also don't trust government.

there's no magic about it. Mostly common sense.

If its processed you already know in your gut it might not be good for you. right? Medicine and research constantly contradict themselves.

Eat whole natural fresh foods. We know this works but insist on thinking it's ok to drink soda. consume overly processed foods and fats. We'll find every excuse in the world and the answers or so simple.

‎"What surprises me most about humanity is man. He sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies never having really lived." - Dalai Lama


Its all insanity. Lapse of reason. Emotional traps and clever marketing.

[bigbutchmistie]

Originally Posted by Anya/Georgia

I hate to give unasked for advice but anyone and everyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is an unlicensed, unregistered title. Any of us can get the piece of paper on the Internet.

A Registered Dietician or an RD, is a degreed person and it is a profession into itself. They are the true nutritionist.

There are also Registered Nurses that are certified diabetic specialists and have additional education and certification with expertise in nutrition.

Our bodies naturally cleanse themselves. We do not retain "toxins" in our bowels. Yes they are full of flora and fauna (so-to-speak) but that is their job (as long as that is where they stay-nuff said about that in the morning).

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is very possible with too much "cleansing". My caveat is to be very careful with anything that you do. Check with your doctor to be sure and if you feel ill at all, stop.

Re: Alli. There is no easy way to lose weight. As with diet pills, there is always a cost when taking a short-cut.

I hope I do not offend but sometimes it is difficult to ignore my own training and background when I fear for the health of another.

um my friends aunt is a licensed nutritionist but thanks

[Zimmeh]

Good Afternoon Anya,

When I took my Human Nutrition class, my professor was a licensed Dietician and the only person in my area who was also trained in Diabetic nutrition. I found everything she taught us very informative and educational. I didn't know until that class, that soybeans is the only non animal based protein that is complete.

Thank you,

Zimmy

Originally Posted by Anya/Georgia

I hate to give unasked for advice but anyone and everyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is an unlicensed, unregistered title. Any of us can get the piece of paper on the Internet.

A Registered Dietician or an RD, is a degreed person and it is a profession into itself. They are the true nutritionist.

There are also Registered Nurses that are certified diabetic specialists and have additional education and certification with expertise in nutrition.

Our bodies naturally cleanse themselves. We do not retain "toxins" in our bowels. Yes they are full of flora and fauna (so-to-speak) but that is their job (as long as that is where they stay-nuff said about that in the morning).

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is very possible with too much "cleansing". My caveat is to be very careful with anything that you do. Check with your doctor to be sure and if you feel ill at all, stop.

Re: Alli. There is no easy way to lose weight. As with diet pills, there is always a cost when taking a short-cut.

I hope I do not offend but sometimes it is difficult to ignore my own training and background when I fear for the health of another.

[bigbutchmistie]

In regards to Ali, Ali was my idea... It was just a thought... But I think differently now.. Thanks all for your input...

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by Anya/Georgia

Our bodies naturally cleanse themselves. We do not retain "toxins" in our bowels. Yes they are full of flora and fauna (so-to-speak) but that is their job (as long as that is where they stay-nuff said about that in the morning).

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is very possible with too much "cleansing". My caveat is to be very careful with anything that you do. Check with your doctor to be sure and if you feel ill at all, stop.

To Mistie,

Want to cleanse and detox? Drink water. Lots of it. Squirt in some lemon juice if you don't like the taste of water. Substitutes (including green tea), just doesn't take the place of water. Choose purified over spring.

Sweetners - Skip refined sugars and artificial sweetners. Try Agave Nectar or stevia.

[Sachita]

Originally Posted by Anya/Georgia

I hate to give unasked for advice but anyone and everyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is an unlicensed, unregistered title. Any of us can get the piece of paper on the Internet.

A Registered Dietician or an RD, is a degreed person and it is a profession into itself. They are the true nutritionist.

There are also Registered Nurses that are certified diabetic specialists and have additional education and certification with expertise in nutrition.

Our bodies naturally cleanse themselves. We do not retain "toxins" in our bowels. Yes they are full of flora and fauna (so-to-speak) but that is their job (as long as that is where they stay-nuff said about that in the morning).

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is very possible with too much "cleansing". My caveat is to be very careful with anything that you do. Check with your doctor to be sure and if you feel ill at all, stop.


I hope I do not offend but sometimes it is difficult to ignore my own training and background when I fear for the health of another.

please, no offense but I disagree. I am sure with your background this is what they taught you and through that research perhaps you formed your own opinions.

So tell me, based on your own opinion, do you feel that no matter what we drink or eat that our bodies do not retain toxins?
Also what are your views on vitamin therapy as a means of healing?
Do you think that if people were healthy, had proper diets, felt good that they would obtain an ideal weight?

thanks- again no disrespect.

[*Anya*]

I believe in Science-based medicine and feel this physician accurately speaks to your question. My post said nothing about vitamins so will not address that, other than to say that even vitamins taken in quantities larger than science recommends, can be unsafe.

When I speak as related to my background as a registered nurse, I again base it on science- not opinion.

If you have other thoughts-please feel free to pm me rather than use the thread.

“Toxins”: the new evil

Amy Tuteur, MD

They say that everything old is new again and that is certainly true in the world of “alternative” health. One of the axiomatic premises of contemporary “alternative” health puts its believers behind the times … by approximately 500 years.

A fundamental premise held by believers in “alternative” health is that we are swimming in a world of “toxins” and those “toxins” are causing disease. Like most premises in “alternative” health it has no basis in scientific fact; makes intuitive sense only if you are ignorant of medicine, science and statistics; and speaks to primitive fears and impulses.

The preoccupation with “toxins” is a direct lineal descendant of the obsession with evil humours and miasmas as causes of disease. It is hardly surprising that prior to the invention of the microscope the real causes of disease went undiscovered. The idea that disease is caused by tiny organisms that invade the body is not amenable to discovery in the absence of scientific instruments and scientific reasoning. And it goes without saying that the same people who were unaware that bacteria and viruses cause disease could not possibly imagine chromosomal defects, inborn errors of metabolism or genetic predispositions to disease.

Instead, people imagined that diseases were caused by excess evil humours, substances that were named, but never seen or identified in any way accessible to the senses. It was recognized that some diseases were contagious, and in that case, people invoked the idea of “miasmas” that somehow transmitted disease.

Even religion got into the act. Rather than attributing disease to evil humors of miasmas, religious authorities often claimed that disease was attributable to evil demons or to sin itself.

These theories shared several important features. The evil humours, miasmas, etc. were invisible, but all around us. They constantly threatened people, and those people had no way of fending off the threat. Indeed, they were often completely unaware of the threat that was actively harming them.

Evil humours, miasmas, demons, etc. were put to rest by the germ theory of disease. That was the first big breakthrough in our understanding that each disease was separate and has its own specific cause. The search for causes has taken us beyond bacteria and viruses, through errors of metabolism and chromosomal aberrations, right down to the level of the gene itself. We now understand that tiny defects in individual genes can cause disease or can increase the propensity to a specific disease.

But fear and superstition never die and the “alternative” health community has used that fear and superstition to resurrect primitive beliefs. It is axiomatic in the “alternative” health community that disease is caused by evil humours and miasmas. They just don’t call it that anymore; they call it “toxins.”

Toxins serve the same explanatory purpose as evil humours and miasmas. They are invisible, but all around us. They constantly threaten people, often people who unaware of their very existence. They are no longer viewed as evil in themselves, but it is axiomatic that they have be released into our environment by “evil” corporations.

There’s just one problem. “Toxins” are a figment of the imagination, in the exact same way that evil humours and miasmas were figments of the imagination.

Poisons exist, of course, but their existence is hardly a secret, and their actions are well known. Most poisons are naturally based, derived from plants or animals. Indeed, the chemicals responsible for more diseases than any others are nicotine (tobacco), alcohol (yeast) and opiates (poppies).

Nonetheless, “alternative” health advocates persist in subscribing to primitive theories of disease. For those who have limited understanding of science, primitive theories apparently make more sense.

Hence the obsession with “toxins” in foods, in vaccines, even “toxins” arising in the body itself. The height of inanity is the belief in “detoxifying” diets and colon cleansing. The human body does not produce “toxins.” That’s just a superstition of the “alternative” health community. The waste products produced by the human body are easily metabolized by organs such as the liver, and excreted by organs particularly designed for that purpose such as the kidneys.

“Alternative” health practitioners are nothing more than quacks and charlatans and their “remedies” are nothing more than snake oil. The fact that anyone in this day and age still believes in such crackpot theories is a tribute to the power of ignorance and superstition.

Evil humours and miasmas have not died, they’ve been reincarnated as “toxins.”


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Originally Posted by Anya/Georgia

I hate to give unasked for advice but anyone and everyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is an unlicensed, unregistered title. Any of us can get the piece of paper on the Internet.

A Registered Dietician or an RD, is a degreed person and it is a profession into itself. They are the true nutritionist.

There are also Registered Nurses that are certified diabetic specialists and have additional education and certification with expertise in nutrition.

Our bodies naturally cleanse themselves. We do not retain "toxins" in our bowels. Yes they are full of flora and fauna (so-to-speak) but that is their job (as long as that is where they stay-nuff said about that in the morning).

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is very possible with too much "cleansing". My caveat is to be very careful with anything that you do. Check with your doctor to be sure and if you feel ill at all, stop.

Re: Alli. There is no easy way to lose weight. As with diet pills, there is always a cost when taking a short-cut.

I hope I do not offend but sometimes it is difficult to ignore my own training and background when I fear for the health of another.

I second this post.

Detoxing can be very dangerous. Do an internet search for people who have died or at least landed in the hospital because of a detoxing cleanse.

There is no magic way to lose weight.

I'm going to be harsh here because I need to say it for myself...

The only way to lose weight and keep it off it to stop putting crap into your body and get moving.

That's it... that is the ONLY way...

I've gained 50 lbs in the last two years...

I'm heaver than I have ever been in my life... 224

Why? Because I over ate, I ate crap, I stopped being mindful of my addiction and I poisioned my body with sugar and fat to the point where I now physically crave the shit...

I feel like shit because I stopped moving... All my muscle has turned to flab.... My back hurts/goes out because of the weight of my belly, my feet/ knees hurt because my frame is not meant to suport all this extra weight.

Nothing is going to change any of this except me stop putting crap in my mouth and get moving....

Cookies, brownies, my lovely french bread, chips, gravy, fried foods, process foods... It's all crap... It's poision... My body is starving, dying of thirst while I sit here and drink my hazlnut coffee with it's two sugars... My fourth cup today...

I have fruit rotting in the fridge, but that bag of cheese popcorn my son left here last night is half gone

Sigh... I say... no more... no more trying to trick my body into thinking that the snackwells are ok to eat because they are *reduced fat*

I say no more to trying to kill myself the slow way because I'm bored, or upset or *well, she knows I have a problem with (insert junk food of choice) and she brought it into the house so I'm going to eat all of it*

I've been over weight since I was 9 yrs old... I know how to lose weight, I know how to keep it off... It's hard, and it hurts, and it SUCKS big time to look at a piece of bread and ask myself.. *Is this more important that you?*

But It's time... Before there is no more time...