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Not ordinarily. |
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12 | 34.29% |
Maybe. (Please elaborate.) |
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2 | 5.71% |
Yes, explain to him and his mother why I won't participate. |
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8 | 22.86% |
Yes, explain to the child directly why I won't participate. |
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5 | 14.29% |
Ask permission from his mother to talk to him about the issue. |
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2 | 5.71% |
Take my issue to the grocery store since he's on their property. |
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1 | 2.86% |
Ignore the entire situation. |
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2 | 5.71% |
Tell only the mother why I won't participate. |
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6 | 17.14% |
Include the rights of Atheists in the discussion. |
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1 | 2.86% |
It's inappropriate to talk to the child about politics. |
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11 | 31.43% |
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I believe taking it also to the parents is important. Not all parents know or understand the discrimination and the policies of the Scouts (all the Scouts). Even today, there are parents who do not know - If we are given the opportunity to educate...GENTLY...And not with force or aggression, I believe you will find that many parents will be outraged by what information you give. THEN - they can certainly voice their concerns on the discrimination (as well) to the BSA and GSA. @ Tapu -- I would say this was probably the mid 90's. Julie
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Tapu:
If you click on the links in the original post you can read about very recent boy scout assocation-discrimination. |
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*from the article:
Now there’s this story to prove that the Boy Scouts’ homophobia isn’t gender specific. |
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I separate the troop from the over-arching organization. It's like buying products without driving yourself crazy over whether they're green or use child labor, etc. Except that BSA at the circle level is providing something very very positive for kids. Sidenote: I don't think explaining your position to a Boy Scout and his mother is going to do anything other than confusing and embarrassing them. Whereas, directing your disagreement to the BSA might.
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Silence = Death, Julie? To a Boy Scout and his mother selling candy? Really?
I think that people such as those in the links, who participate and run into trouble, are the very people making headway for others like me. People lecturing scouts and parents, not so much.
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That was part of my explanation to J. Mason regarding "I just see a problem with trying to tell a parent about the situation you never know what you are going to encounter." If we stand SILENT - then I believe this is where we are headed. Julie
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I'm sorry, I don't get the difference. Taking a Silence = Death stance would mean confronting the parent, right? Ah! You thought I meant that you were advocating SAYING it. No, I meant going at it in that way--confronting the parent.
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It is SILENCE = DEATH If I keep my mouth shut - Then I am supporting discrimination. Ignorance breeds Hate - Hate breeds Death. I believe this. I believe there is a difference between confronting and discussing. I have given my reasons to both parents of the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts as to why I will not financially support their organization. I have never been met with anger or rudeness. Most often, I have been met with surprise and sadness. It is an awakening for the ignorant. Julie
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I posted last year about being invited to a student's Eagle Scout ceremony.
I was incredibly flattered and moved to be invited, but I ultimately chose not to attend because of the Boy Scouts' discriminatory policy and practices. I do know that there are some troops that have distanced themselves from BSA, and that is incredibly brave. I don't donate to United Way, because they give money to Scouts and I have no way of knowing where the money is going. To answer the question, I would not sign the petition but I would not explain why unless the child asked, and then I would explain in child appropriate language. |
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I also understand what silence means, which is of course why I feel a bit compelled to open up a dialogue about how their club effects real people. It really doesn't matter how you remove yourself from the organization--It's still Boy Scouts of America until you make it different it stays the same (discriminatory)--You could be ousted with one phone call to the association. |
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Oh, boy, would they have their hands full then! I could really make a difference.
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You are apparently an OUT Scout Parent. Your troop is obviously not adhering to the rules and guidelines. Were you aware of their stance on homosexuality? Julie
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Then those who are not comfortable with sharing information and feel they might be at risk - should not tell. BUT - I will say this. The end of the road to discrimination on any level, begins with risk and communication. Look at the Black Panthers - Martin Luther King - Stonewall - Gay Liberation Army - The Suffragets - The list goes on and on. We cannot expect people to change, if we are not willing to stand up and speak. Remember the old ACTUP saying? Silence = Death It still holds true.
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