Leisha Hailey was kicked off plane for lesbian kiss

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Originally Posted by stargazingboi

First...regarding the gender issue mentioned..do heterosexuals face the same issues and get booted off flight for PDA? Yes..yes they do...a man in California was arrested and convicted after a 3 day trail for PDA with his girlfriend (link to story below..I found several stories like this one)

[URL="http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-57274.html"]


I have no doubt that one group of people will get more attention in the media than another...lets face it, it's about what will grab peoples attention and sell.


I'm of the mind set that there is a time and a place for everything. I sorta live by the...if I wouldn't do it in front of my parents or kids (whether my partner's kids/my foster kids when I have one placed with me etc)..then I don't do it in public places where other peoples parents or kids are.

Couples should be able to show affection to one another, it's actually quite healthy for a relationship. It also teaches our children what a healthy relationship looks like....of course once again...there is a time and a place for certain things.

For me it's about mutual respect.

I figured out how to cut and paste the story. But I think there was a bit more to it than kissing

"According to an FBI indictment, Persing's face was pressed to Sewell's vaginal area during the September Southwest Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Raleigh, N.C. When a flight attendant gave them a second warning, Persing reacted angrily and the couple, both in their early 40s, were arrested when the plane reached its destination."

But at least you were able to find something.

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What does it mean exactly when a company or organization says there are a family enviroment, or family this or family that? Do they think we don't have family? Or that we are not part of a family? Or that we don't have our own kids? What are we hatched and seperated at birth to grow and live alone from civilization and have no concept or understanding of family???? I just want to say that's awesome!!!!!!!! Cause I belong to a family , a great family! I have family and I am family( more ways than one) and my family loves me and I love my family so I'll fit right in here, no that we have that squared away, where do I sit! Can I get the family discount?

[stargazingboi]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

I figured out how to cut and paste the story. But I think there was a bit more to it than kissing

"According to an FBI indictment, Persing's face was pressed to Sewell's vaginal area during the September Southwest Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Raleigh, N.C. When a flight attendant gave them a second warning, Persing reacted angrily and the couple, both in their early 40s, were arrested when the plane reached its destination."

But at least you were able to find something.

yes...but it's all in the perception isn't it? We are never given the full story in any article. However, it was asked if heterosexuals get booted from flights for PDA..and they do. Do we know how far they went? no..because we were not there. Did this couple go to fair? did Leisha go to fair? we wont really know because we were not there...

so, where do we draw the line? who determines this? In our country it is stated "you're rights end where mine begins" what does this really mean? We each must figure this out for ourselves...and this is what crossed my mind when I read your original post.

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Originally Posted by stargazingboi

yes...but it's all in the perception isn't it? We are never given the full story in any article. However, it was asked if heterosexuals get booted from flights for PDA..and they do. Do we know how far they went? no..because we were not there. Did this couple go to fair? did Leisha go to fair? we wont really know because we were not there...

so, where do we draw the line? who determines this? In our country it is stated "you're rights end where mine begins" what does this really mean? We each must figure this out for ourselves...and this is what crossed my mind when I read your original post.

That is true. i suppose we are never given the full story in any article. But at some point I need to get to a place where I am comfortable with some idea of truth. I can't just say well, I don't know what happened so you are all wrong. Or you are all right for that matter. I have to do my homework. If I am interested in some issue I need to research it and come to a place where I believe I have enough knowledge or information to make an informed decision. I'm not saying I have enough in this case yet. I am saying that I am not prepared to say two women kissing is going too far. I might be prepared to say that putting your face in someone's vaginal area in a public place is going too far. However, it seems to me that the constant here was giving the flight attendants a hard time. I don't think they like that.

Also I might be prepared to say that the line for what is inappropriate behavior for homosexuals is in a very different place than it is for heterosexuals. I know so far evidence points to the possibility that this might be the case.

[stargazingboi]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

That is true. i suppose we are never given the full story in any article. But at some point I need to get to a place where I am comfortable with some idea of truth. I can't just say well, I don't know what happened so you are all wrong. Or you are all right for that matter. I have to do my homework. If I am interested in some issue I need to research it and come to a place where I believe I have enough knowledge or information to make an informed decision. I'm not saying I have enough in this case yet. I am saying that I am not prepared to say two women kissing is going too far. I might be prepared to say that putting your face in someone's vaginal area in a public place is going too far. However, it seems to me that the constant here was giving the flight attendants a hard time. I don't think they like that.

Also I might be prepared to say that the line for what is inappropriate behavior for homosexuals is in a very different place than it is for heterosexuals. I know so far evidence points to the possibility that this might be the case.

The way you are going about it..is indeed a wise way to approach most topics that provokes within. Over the course of time I have watched the world change regarding same sex couples. I have faced many issues that revolve around who I am..how I live etc. What I have found is...depending on where (what city and state) I am, will determine what line is drawn in the sand regarding appropriate and inappropriate behavior. I have found that in major cities the line is different...than in smaller towns or down south.

Do I think kissing is inappropriate..whether same sex or opposite..hell no? but what else was going on when the kiss occurred? bumping..grinding...hands roaming about? Could something else have caused the issue? perhaps..and then again depending on the flight attendant it could have been their own personal view that caused them to say something. Not sure

What we do know is that a disagreement occurred...a scene was made and that flights can not take off or continue being in flight when such disagreements are in effect. I have even been on a plan that landed to eject someone from the flight for causing a disruption (was a person who drank to much and became belligerent).

So..maybe it wasn't the kissing that caused the issue but the way it was handled? If they were on the ground and in the waiting area of the same airline would the situation have been handled differently? There is much to think about here