2012 US General Election Discussions: Start to Finish

Kobi · 01-23-2012, 03:58 PM

The making of a post-post-partisan Presidency.

by Ryan Lizza
January 30, 2012

Hundreds of pages of internal White House memos show Obama grappling with the unpleasant choices of government.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all

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Interesting and informative read.

ButchBowWow · 01-23-2012, 06:53 PM

Should we be happy that it was just a cat?

WASHINGTON -- The race for the Arkansas' third congressional district took a gruesome turn on Sunday, when the campaign manager for Democratic challenger Ken Aden came home and found his cat slaughtered with the word "liberal" painted on the corpse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1224095.html

AtLast · 01-24-2012, 12:36 AM

I also posted this in the breaking News thread-

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...te-in-2010.php

TPM2012
Mitt Romney Paid A 13.9% Effective Tax Rate In 2010

January 24, 2012, 12:30 AM 143124After being hounded by Democrats and Republicans for refusing to and then hedging about releasing his federal tax returns, Mitt Romney released his 2010 tax return Tuesday morning. They show that Romney paid an effective tax rate of 13.9% on $21.6 million in income.

Romney’s total wealth is estimated at $190 million to $250 million.
The returns also show that over 2010 and 2011 Romney donated more money to charity, $7 million, than he will pay in taxes, much of that going to the Mormon church. The campaign stressed that Romney’s low tax rate was based on the fact that much of his income comes from 15% tax rate on capital gains, rather than the 35% rate on earned income as well as charitable deductions. They also note that much of the money comes from interest from Romney’s blind trust.

Key Takeaways From Romney’s Tax Returns
—Mitt Romney paid a 13.9 percent tax rate on $21.6 million in income last year.

—Most of the income came from dividends and interest on investments, which are taxed at a much lower rate.
—Romney raked in America’s median adjusted gross income of $33,048 in “less than a day,” Bloomberg notes. His income over a one-week span puts him in the top 1 percent of annual earners.—Romney, who files jointly with his wife Ann, expects to pay a 15.4 percent rate on $20.9 million in income this year.

—His campaign said he had $7.4 million in carried interest last year; this year the figure is $5.5 million.

—Romney contributed $7 million in charitable donations in the last two years, at least $4.1 million of which was to the Mormon Church.Sahil Kapur contributed to this post.

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Yanno- "carried interest means he defers paying any tax on millions for years- one of those "loopholes" for the 1%!

Tweet from ThinkProgress-

Romney's return that reveals his Swiss bank account is the "good' return. He won't release previous years.

Corkey · 01-24-2012, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLast

I also posted this in the breaking News thread-

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...te-in-2010.php

TPM2012
Mitt Romney Paid A 13.9% Effective Tax Rate In 2010

January 24, 2012, 12:30 AM 143124After being hounded by Democrats and Republicans for refusing to and then hedging about releasing his federal tax returns, Mitt Romney released his 2010 tax return Tuesday morning. They show that Romney paid an effective tax rate of 13.9% on $21.6 million in income.

Romney’s total wealth is estimated at $190 million to $250 million.
The returns also show that over 2010 and 2011 Romney donated more money to charity, $7 million, than he will pay in taxes, much of that going to the Mormon church. The campaign stressed that Romney’s low tax rate was based on the fact that much of his income comes from 15% tax rate on capital gains, rather than the 35% rate on earned income as well as charitable deductions. They also note that much of the money comes from interest from Romney’s blind trust.

Key Takeaways From Romney’s Tax Returns
—Mitt Romney paid a 13.9 percent tax rate on $21.6 million in income last year.

—Most of the income came from dividends and interest on investments, which are taxed at a much lower rate.
—Romney raked in America’s median adjusted gross income of $33,048 in “less than a day,” Bloomberg notes. His income over a one-week span puts him in the top 1 percent of annual earners.—Romney, who files jointly with his wife Ann, expects to pay a 15.4 percent rate on $20.9 million in income this year.

—His campaign said he had $7.4 million in carried interest last year; this year the figure is $5.5 million.

—Romney contributed $7 million in charitable donations in the last two years, at least $4.1 million of which was to the Mormon Church.Sahil Kapur contributed to this post.

******

Yanno- "carried interest means he defers paying any tax on millions for years- one of those "loopholes" for the 1%!

Tweet from ThinkProgress-

Romney's return that reveals his Swiss bank account is the "good' return. He won't release previous years.

Much of his monies are in the Caymans and we have no idea how much that is, and he pays a total of 0% on those accounts. We need to change our tax laws to close these loopholes.

theoddz · 01-24-2012, 01:54 PM

Well, we all know how ridiculous a Newt Gingrich Presidential campaign would be. Come to think of it, none of the current list of GOP hopefuls would look much better, but Newtie's would really be over the top.

Lookie what I found!!!!

It reads almost like a laundry list of sin and is at least three times more entertaining!!!

http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm#draft

I hope you all find it as entertaining as I did.

He hasn't a hope in hell, especially if he actually gets a GOP nomination.

Here's some of his and the people who have known him's quote's:

Quotes:

"We had oral sex. He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'" - Anne Manning (who was also married at the time.)

"We would have won in 1974 if we could have kept him out of the office, screwing her [a young volunteer] on the desk." - Dot Crews, his campaign scheduler at the time

[In the book] "Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them", [I] "found frightening pieces that related to my own life." - Newt.

"I think you can write a psychological profile of me that says I found a way to immerse my insecurities in a cause large enough to justify whatever I wanted it to." - Newt, speaking to Gail Sheehy.

"She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be the President's wife. And besides, she has cancer." - Newt, on his first wife.

"He treats me really nicely, buys me all these ices. Dolce & Gabbana, Fendi and that Donna, Karan, he be sharin' All that money got me wearin'" -- Callista? No wait, that's Fergie, "My Humps"

"I don't want him to be president and I don't think he should be." - Newt's second wife Marianne.

“She [Callista] is the single most self-centered person I’ve run into in politics—it’s all about her. They do these movies together, and she does a word count: she has to have the same number of words on camera as he does or they have to reshoot. ...And Callista did not want him to run for President. That’s why he had to buy her so much damn jewelry.” - an unnamed "former strategist." Will Rogers, Newt's ex-Iowa strategist has denied it was him.

"If the country today were to move to the left, Newt would sense it before it started happening and lead the way." - Dot Crews, his campaign scheduler throughout the 1970s.

"It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live." - Newt.
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You know, it is a national insult to have someone like Newt Gingrich even throw his hat in the ring and then come within a hair's breadth of getting a major political nomination to run for the highest office in the land. How does THAT happen??? How does he get even ONE vote from any self respecting, decent American, let alone human being????

~Theo~

deeperstill · 01-24-2012, 09:28 PM

ok, so a great turn of phrase in a speech delivered well, yeah, makes me wet*
(*disclaimer: this neither does nor does not endorse the content of anything said)

Kobi · 01-25-2012, 09:22 AM

That State of the Union address was a classic. Obama has always impressed me with his grasp of the issues I see as important and to break them down into easy to understand pieces and solutions. To me, he makes sense.

However, I am always mindful that he faces an uphill battle every step of the way from republicans, business, various interest groups, other countries etc.

Dont always like the compromises he makes or the watering down of key things to appease the $$$$, but the guys ideas I like. He reminds me a lot of the democrats of old, looking to even the playing field some while not totally upsetting the status quo.

01-23-2012, 03:58 PM	#1
Kobi Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Biological female. Lesbian. Relationship Status: Happy Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hanging out in the Atlantic. Posts: 9,234 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,840 Thanked 34,618 Times in 7,640 Posts Rep Power: 21474860	The Obama Memos The making of a post-post-partisan Presidency. by Ryan Lizza January 30, 2012 Hundreds of pages of internal White House memos show Obama grappling with the unpleasant choices of government. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all ------- Interesting and informative read.

01-23-2012, 06:53 PM	#2
ButchBowWow Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He, she and all those in between. Makes no difference to me. Relationship Status: In love with me, does that count? Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: In a world all my own, wanna visit? Posts: 180 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,280 Thanked 684 Times in 136 Posts Rep Power: 10481539	Really?? Should we be happy that it was just a cat? WASHINGTON -- The race for the Arkansas' third congressional district took a gruesome turn on Sunday, when the campaign manager for Democratic challenger Ken Aden came home and found his cat slaughtered with the word "liberal" painted on the corpse. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1224095.html __________________ *"The word liberal* comes from the word free. We must cherish and honor the word free or it will cease to apply to us." - Eleanor Roosevelt "It"s called the American dream because you have to be sleeping to believe it." - George Carlin**

01-24-2012, 12:36 AM	#3
AtLast Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Woman Preferred Pronoun?: HER - SHE Relationship Status: Relating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA & AZ I'm a Snowbird Posts: 5,408 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,826 Thanked 10,827 Times in 3,199 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Romney's tax return info- 2011 is "projected" I also posted this in the breaking News thread- http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...te-in-2010.php TPM2012 Mitt Romney Paid A 13.9% Effective Tax Rate In 2010 January 24, 2012, 12:30 AM 143124After being hounded by Democrats and Republicans for refusing to and then hedging about releasing his federal tax returns, Mitt Romney released his 2010 tax return Tuesday morning. They show that Romney paid an effective tax rate of 13.9% on $21.6 million in income. Romney’s total wealth is estimated at $190 million to $250 million. The returns also show that over 2010 and 2011 Romney donated more money to charity, $7 million, than he will pay in taxes, much of that going to the Mormon church. The campaign stressed that Romney’s low tax rate was based on the fact that much of his income comes from 15% tax rate on capital gains, rather than the 35% rate on earned income as well as charitable deductions. They also note that much of the money comes from interest from Romney’s blind trust. Key Takeaways From Romney’s Tax Returns —Mitt Romney paid a 13.9 percent tax rate on $21.6 million in income last year. —Most of the income came from dividends and interest on investments, which are taxed at a much lower rate. —Romney raked in America’s median adjusted gross income of $33,048 in “less than a day,” Bloomberg notes. His income over a one-week span puts him in the top 1 percent of annual earners.—Romney, who files jointly with his wife Ann, expects to pay a 15.4 percent rate on $20.9 million in income this year. —His campaign said he had $7.4 million in carried interest last year; this year the figure is $5.5 million. —Romney contributed $7 million in charitable donations in the last two years, at least $4.1 million of which was to the Mormon Church.Sahil Kapur contributed to this post. **** Yanno- "carried interest means he defers paying any tax on millions for years- one of those "loopholes" for the 1%! Tweet from ThinkProgress- Romney's return that reveals his Swiss bank account is the "good' return. He won't release previous years.**

01-24-2012, 01:54 PM	#5
theoddz Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Cranky Old Poop Preferred Pronoun?: Mr. Beast Relationship Status: Married to a beautiful babe whom I don't deserve. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,541 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,143 Thanked 9,938 Times in 2,513 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Well, we all know how ridiculous a Newt Gingrich Presidential campaign would be. Come to think of it, none of the current list of GOP hopefuls would look much better, but Newtie's would really be over the top. Lookie what I found!!!! It reads almost like a laundry list of sin and is at least three times more entertaining!!! http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm#draft I hope you all find it as entertaining as I did. He hasn't a hope in hell, especially if he actually gets a GOP nomination. Here's some of his and the people who have known him's quote's: Quotes: "We had oral sex. He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, 'I never slept with her.'" - Anne Manning (who was also married at the time.) "We would have won in 1974 if we could have kept him out of the office, screwing her [a young volunteer] on the desk." - Dot Crews, his campaign scheduler at the time [In the book] "Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them", [I] "found frightening pieces that related to my own life." - Newt. "I think you can write a psychological profile of me that says I found a way to immerse my insecurities in a cause large enough to justify whatever I wanted it to." - Newt, speaking to Gail Sheehy. "She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be the President's wife. And besides, she has cancer." - Newt, on his first wife. "He treats me really nicely, buys me all these ices. Dolce & Gabbana, Fendi and that Donna, Karan, he be sharin' All that money got me wearin'" -- Callista? No wait, that's Fergie, "My Humps" "I don't want him to be president and I don't think he should be." - Newt's second wife Marianne. “She [Callista] is the single most self-centered person I’ve run into in politics—it’s all about her. They do these movies together, and she does a word count: she has to have the same number of words on camera as he does or they have to reshoot. ...And Callista did not want him to run for President. That’s why he had to buy her so much damn jewelry.” - an unnamed "former strategist." Will Rogers, Newt's ex-Iowa strategist has denied it was him. "If the country today were to move to the left, Newt would sense it before it started happening and lead the way." - Dot Crews, his campaign scheduler throughout the 1970s. "It doesn't matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live." - Newt. ________________________ You know, it is a national insult to have someone like Newt Gingrich even throw his hat in the ring and then come within a hair's breadth of getting a major political nomination to run for the highest office in the land. How does THAT happen??? How does he get even ONE vote from any self respecting, decent American, let alone human being???? *~Theo~* __________________ *"All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost."* -- J. R. R. Tolkien

01-24-2012, 09:28 PM	#6
deeperstill Member How Do You Identify?: femme Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: northern california Posts: 135 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 419 Thanked 272 Times in 91 Posts Rep Power: 2862600	state of the union ok, so a great turn of phrase in a speech delivered well, yeah, makes me wet* (disclaimer: this neither does nor does not endorse the content of anything said) __________________ Shutthefuckupcakes. It's what's for dinner.*

01-25-2012, 09:22 AM	#7
Kobi Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Biological female. Lesbian. Relationship Status: Happy Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hanging out in the Atlantic. Posts: 9,234 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,840 Thanked 34,618 Times in 7,640 Posts Rep Power: 21474860	That State of the Union address was a classic. Obama has always impressed me with his grasp of the issues I see as important and to break them down into easy to understand pieces and solutions. To me, he makes sense. However, I am always mindful that he faces an uphill battle every step of the way from republicans, business, various interest groups, other countries etc. Dont always like the compromises he makes or the watering down of key things to appease the $$$$, but the guys ideas I like. He reminds me a lot of the democrats of old, looking to even the playing field some while not totally upsetting the status quo.