Are butches really a dying breed?

Quintease · 03-29-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Library_girl

Welllllll, not always.......sorry Quintease, I have to disagree with one part of what you said. (though I normally agree with so much of what you say and enjoy your posts! So forgive me

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"Lesbians have traditionally all tried to look like each other in order to be visible or did bf, which was a sexual dynamic"

Maybe I am being too picky. I don't know how long ago you mean by "traditionally", but if you go back to say the 1960's, 1950's, and before, (the pre-Stonewall years), all lesbians were butch or femme, that was that. Butch/femme wasn't a subset of LGBTQ, or a sexual dynamic. (LGBTQ didn't exist) Lesbian and b/f were one in the same. (Lee Lynch, my favorite author, has written wonderful books about this) So we weren't all trying to look the same back then. If you were a lesbian, you were either butch or femme, period.

OK, I'll shut up now. I'll stop being such a librarian about it.

Yes but did individual lesbians have a choice? Invariably no. Butches all looked butch and femmes all looked femme. It was a very heteronormative and rigid way of establishing identity, particularly if you wanted to get laid. I imagine many lesbians today would be stumped were they to be asked to pick a side (remembering that dress back then also corresponded to sexual activity far more than it does today).

Library_girl · 03-30-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Quintease

Yes but did individual lesbians have a choice? Invariably no. Butches all looked butch and femmes all looked femme. It was a very heteronormative and rigid way of establishing identity, particularly if you wanted to get laid. I imagine many lesbians today would be stumped were they to be asked to pick a side (remembering that dress back then also corresponded to sexual activity far more than it does today).

Excellent point!!! See, I love your posts.

StoneOne · 03-30-2012, 12:38 AM

I will never give up on forever .....
I do believe in taking time to find the one and spending forever together....
I do believe in forgetting the small stuff dont sweat it .......
I do believe in partnerships it takes 2 to tango good and bad...
I do believe U must pay attention dont get to comfortable .......
I do believe U must learn to forgive in your heart or pay the piper......
I dont believe U fill a void just because it is there......
I do believe if u let it go and it comes back it's forever if not it never was........
I do believe if u make a commitment u should stand by it......
I do believe there is someone for everyone .....
I do believe u have just to find one another .......

this is prolly not the right thread for this post but well ya know......

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