The House of Stone...

CherylNYC · 04-13-2012, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princessbelle

SilverStoneFemme,

I know this is being addressed....but.

Not only are there lesbian stone femmes here, there are lesbian stone butches here as well. I happened to be partnered with one. Not all lesbians have sex the same way. We are quite diverse.

Not your keeper, just trying to offer a little friendly advice...

There are more flavors of IDs here than Baskin Robbins has flavors of ice creme.

Yup. I are one. Lesbian stonefemme here. I think I may be one of the rarest flavours.

Jess · 04-14-2012, 01:07 AM

I can not speak for any other stone butch out there, just myself. I would never pretend to try to define a label much less put such limitations on it as the OP has done here. After as many years in this community as I have been around, I can very easily point to the number of times someones ass gets handed to them for even considering doing that, just as I can count the number of times I have seen these definitions/ labels change from user to user.

I am, by my understanding of the labels/ definitions used historically in this community... a stone butch . I am a human being whose energy whom resides in a female body. I fuck feminine women. I do not get penetrated nor do I allow my body or the touching of it, to be done in a feminizing manner. While I am more comfortable being called by male pronouns , as for me, that reads "on line" that whomever I am speaking to feels that energy... I know that in this world ( my world I live in 24/7) I am seen as a woman as many times as I am seen as male/ masculine. I don't feel exactly comfortable with the OP only using "hy" when describing stone butch, as I know some stone butches whom prefer "she".

As far as "lesbian" goes. THIS stone butch entity is still living in a woman's body and fucks women. I am quite sure as long as I will remain alive, there are at least four dictionaries that will define women who fuck women as ( drum roll, wait for it...) Lesbian.

The pretty groovy ( and sometimes confusing) part of being part of a "queer" community, is that we are allowed and encouraged to define or label.. or NOT, ourselves. We are encouraged to NOT fall into the definitions placed on us by the majority of society that has held rule over our bodies ( and to some degree: minds) for evah! The other pretty groovy thing, is that we can and will look at one another and say, YOU, dear community member, do not get to define that for me either.

In the original opening post, we were asked to only take part in this thread if we fell into the definition of "stone" that was presented by the original poster.
Had it not continued on to add the tasteless comments regarding "lesbians", I may have fallen into that definition. Since it did "go there", I... suppose... I , as a stone, butch, freaky sex lovin, kinky whip wielding, non patchouli smellin, boot wearin, hat tippin, door openin, worshiper of high femmes ( NOT high maint, mind you) do not belong here and will respect that in the future.

girl_dee · 04-14-2012, 05:41 AM

2 definitions? really? i really have issues with people who tell people they can't be part of the group if they don't fit, what threads they can be part of and if they don't fit in, to go somewhere else. There are a bajillion ways to slice what we all are here and excluding people who may have something to offer does not feel right to me.

Another thing,

The word "feminize"

feminize |ˈfeməˌnīz|
verb [ trans. ]

make (something) more characteristic of or associated with women : as office roles changed, clerical work was increasingly feminized.
induce female sexual characteristics in a male.

This is SO reminiscent of the *melting the stone* thread on one of the other sites. As far as my opinion goes, being a non group member (i will never conform to labels/definitions) i don't get how anyone can *feminize* you no matter HOW they touch, talk or look at you without your permission. No one could ever *masculinize* me no matter how they fucked me. i appreciate that people have boundaries and we all do, and we love those who do, but the word feminize feels like something bad to me when used along these lines.

IMO butch is butch, femme is femme no matter what we are doing. No one loses their butch/femme card because of a sex act in my book. My book is not anyone else's book i respect that.

Carry on with your *group* !

Random · 04-14-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajun_dee

i don't get how anyone can *feminize* you no matter HOW they touch, talk or look at you without your permission. No one could ever *masculinize* me no matter how they fucked me. i appreciate that people have boundaries and we all do, and we love those who do, but the word feminize feels like something bad to me when used along these lines.

Dee,

I'm faultering at starting, so please excuse me if I come off abrupt..(It's a flowers for Algernon kinda afternoon and I'm struggling to communicate effectively)

When someones outside doesn't match what's inside their head, sometime touch can effect the mental image that you are trying to reinforce.

For some reason circular motion feels feminine and strokes feel masculing.

A cupped hand feels feminine and a flat hand feels masculine..

I'm not GID nor am I a stone butch or FtM, so I don't know why it happens, but it does...

If my ex was leaning masculine he was stone and If was touching him like he was female, it felt icky and turned him off, left him cold...

I have to be honest... Sometimes it was hard ass work making love to a stone butch...

Sometimes feminize IS not a good thing....

I'm like you... No matter how you touch me (when I allow touch) I'm a woman... but my insides match my outsides, so I don't have to build anything in my head that can be ruined by someone rubbing my clit instead of jacking me off...

spritzerJ · 04-14-2012, 05:47 AM

Oh what an interesting direction this thread has taken. I do hope we can remain open as a community ending up with a comfortable stone place to chat. And I imagine if we don't, no worries, there are lots of places to chat on this planet. I appreciate the variance in the community here. It is a treasure.

As for myself, I am sitting here going ooh another stone thread yippee! Because I wanted one. My own journey discovering, exploring and wondering about what my sexual expression "home" is leading me this way. And I am a reader I do like reading about stone (butch and femme) looking for a clue on the just right words for my feelings. Haven't quiet found those words yet.

I am thankful for the stone's who still claim lesbian as part of them. I guess I think of lesbian much like my maiden name. It is so much a part of me, my past, present and family of origin I don't want to give it up just to move into a new commitment with myself.

04-14-2012, 05:41 AM	#3
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04-14-2012, 01:07 AM	#2
Jess Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: decidedly indifferent Preferred Pronoun?: other Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Patrick Springs, VA Posts: 2,812 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,247 Thanked 5,700 Times in 1,682 Posts Rep Power: 0	I can not speak for any other stone butch out there, just myself. I would never pretend to try to define a label much less put such limitations on it as the OP has done here. After as many years in this community as I have been around, I can very easily point to the number of times someones ass gets handed to them for even considering doing that, just as I can count the number of times I have seen these definitions/ labels change from user to user. I am, by my understanding of the labels/ definitions used historically in this community... a stone butch . I am a human being whose energy whom resides in a female body. I fuck feminine women. I do not get penetrated nor do I allow my body or the touching of it, to be done in a feminizing manner. While I am more comfortable being called by male pronouns , as for me, that reads "on line" that whomever I am speaking to feels that energy... I know that in this world ( my world I live in 24/7) I am seen as a woman as many times as I am seen as male/ masculine. I don't feel exactly comfortable with the OP only using "hy" when describing stone butch, as I know some stone butches whom prefer "she". As far as "lesbian" goes. THIS stone butch entity is still living in a woman's body and fucks women. I am quite sure as long as I will remain alive, there are at least four dictionaries that will define women who fuck women as ( drum roll, wait for it...) Lesbian. The pretty groovy ( and sometimes confusing) part of being part of a "queer" community, is that we are allowed and encouraged to define or label.. or NOT, ourselves. We are encouraged to NOT fall into the definitions placed on us by the majority of society that has held rule over our bodies ( and to some degree: minds) for evah! The other pretty groovy thing, is that we can and will look at one another and say, YOU, dear community member, do not get to define that for me either. In the original opening post, we were asked to only take part in this thread if we fell into the definition of "stone" that was presented by the original poster. Had it not continued on to add the tasteless comments regarding "lesbians", I may have fallen into that definition. Since it did "go there", I... suppose... I , as a stone, butch, freaky sex lovin, kinky whip wielding, non patchouli smellin, boot wearin, hat tippin, door openin, worshiper of high femmes ( NOT high maint, mind you) do not belong here and will respect that in the future.

04-14-2012, 05:47 AM	#5
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