What makes a Butch "Butch"

[Corkey]

I admire those of you who can pull off the wearin' o' the dress.
I fail completely and look like a linebacker in drag with a limp.

[dykeumentary]

I've been following this thread, and finally I will jump in.
First, when I decide to wear a dress, I look hot. This stands to reason: when I decide to wear a dress, I go all out-- it fits fabulously, my shoes and accessories are stylish, and I WORK The Dress. I have a lot of confidence, and people respond to confidence, no? As a butch, I understand that it is all about how you wear the outfit, not the outfit.

Another point to add here: Several posts here seem to refer to "drag" as a negative thing, and that is not cool. Drag queens are people who are expressing their truth. Some of my dear friends are drag queens. Also, as a feminist, i feel that drag queens make an important contribution politically by pointing out "performative" femininity in our sexist society.

I challenge butches to find another way to describe their appearance than to assume we all are snorting with derision at references to drag.

[aishah]

my butch partner does drag...some of the comments about wearing dresses and about drag in this thread made me wonder (in a positive way) if others ever do drag and find it a fun way to express themselves.

[CherylNYC]

Originally Posted by aishah

my butch partner does drag...some of the comments about wearing dresses and about drag in this thread made me wonder (in a positive way) if others ever do drag and find it a fun way to express themselves.

I'm just catching up. Aisha asked this question a page or so back.

reprinted in part from a post I wrote in the Butches and Body Image thread:

"...I'm dating a very butch woman who sometimes performs in female drag. Her drag personna feels a lot like a toughened up Diana Ross, but about a dozen sizes larger. Her personna wears wigs, heavy make-up, and sparkly dresses. The reason why everyone enjoys and understands the performance as drag is that her virile, masculine energy easily overwhelms any height of heel. Stereotypically feminine trappings only serve to accentuate her masculinity..."

[Corkey]

If you are referring to my post I can clearly refute that. I big I with all the personal that comes with an I post would truly look like I was in drag. I did not disparage drag or those who participate in doing drag. I also admire folks who do drag. So I hope that sets your reading of MY post at ease.

[Metro]

“We all came into this world naked. The rest is all drag.”

~ RuPaul

[Cin]

I never looked very good in a dress. I have had to wear women’s clothes for some jobs. I wore blouses and slacks, pant suits, some make-up now and again and jewelry. I have femmed it up a bit like that to go out occasionally for fun. But it never fails that someone will remark how I look like I’m in drag. It's better if I don't move cause once I commence walking the illusion is gone. I think it's kind of interesting and gender bending for someone who is female to do drag by dressing up as female, same if someone who is male does drag by dressing up as male. I mean it doesn't look like drag if I dress like a guy. Except for the breasts it looks like a guy, a pretty one for sure, but a guy nonetheless. So it's kind of a 21st century type of drag. Maybe. I sure don't mean any disrespect. And good on ya if you are a butch who looks good dressed in traditionally feminine clothing. I don't. I don't mind playing at dressing up in feminine attire. I just know I can't seriously pull it off.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by dykeumentary

I've been following this thread, and finally I will jump in.
First, when I decide to wear a dress, I look hot. This stands to reason: when I decide to wear a dress, I go all out-- it fits fabulously, my shoes and accessories are stylish, and I WORK The Dress. I have a lot of confidence, and people respond to confidence, no? As a butch, I understand that it is all about how you wear the outfit, not the outfit.

Another point to add here: Several posts here seem to refer to "drag" as a negative thing, and that is not cool. Drag queens are people who are expressing their truth. Some of my dear friends are drag queens. Also, as a feminist, i feel that drag queens make an important contribution politically by pointing out "performative" femininity in our sexist society.

I challenge butches to find another way to describe their appearance than to assume we all are snorting with derision at references to drag.

I respect Your opinion , really I do .....But it never fails , and I am not saying You personally ..But someone will come it and pick apart one word , and all it takes is one ...I don't think any of us used the word "drag" in a negative manner ..I said what I said the way I wanted to say it the best way I could .

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by Billy

I respect Your opinion , really I do .....But it never fails , and I am not saying You personally ..But someone will come it and pick apart one word , and all it takes is one ...I don't think any of us used the word "drag" in a negative manner ..I said what I said the way I wanted to say it the best way I could .

It was bound to happen. It always does.

[Toughy]

drag is the clothes you have on........

drag queens are entirely different except when they aren't........all I know is the draq queens that helped me along my butch path told me not to ever wear a dress because I looked like a horrible bad drag queen......

the last time I had on a dress....well it was a military uniform skirt, shirt, jacket...was at a WAC (women's army corps) gathering in SF in the mid-80s. I was in the color guard. The last time I wore a civilian dress/skirt was in 1970 when I graduated from high school. We could not wear pants to school, girls had to wear dress or skirt and the length was no shorter than 3inches from the middle of the knee (you had to kneel and it was measured from the floor).......

I never ever felt comfortable in a dress or skirt....except for military uniforms.....that kind of drag just is not me. I am the oldest generation in my family so I don't have to please parents grandparents aunties uncles and neither of my sisters would ever think I should wear a dress/skirt.

[Corkey]

Oh and I limp fer real in real time.

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Oh and I limp fer real in real time.

me too bud!!!

[Mr. Cynthia]

Originally Posted by dykeumentary

I've been following this thread, and finally I will jump in.
First, when I decide to wear a dress, I look hot. This stands to reason: when I decide to wear a dress, I go all out-- it fits fabulously, my shoes and accessories are stylish, and I WORK The Dress. I have a lot of confidence, and people respond to confidence, no? As a butch, I understand that it is all about how you wear the outfit, not the outfit.

Another point to add here: Several posts here seem to refer to "drag" as a negative thing, and that is not cool. Drag queens are people who are expressing their truth. Some of my dear friends are drag queens. Also, as a feminist, i feel that drag queens make an important contribution politically by pointing out "performative" femininity in our sexist society.

I challenge butches to find another way to describe their appearance than to assume we all are snorting with derision at references to drag.

I dress in what society-at-large considers "drag" every single day. I put myself out into the world as a woman-id'd butch who passes as a man just as often as not...and that is MY truth. Any comments here that might appear derisive toward drag seem to be directed inward at the posters who experienced awkwardness and discomfort in clothing that does NOT express their truths.

The only difference between me and a drag queen is that I don't do shows.