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Old 08-14-2012, 09:44 AM   #1
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Pack or don't pack. It doesn't make anyone less or more butch either way. Do whatever you want.
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Old 08-14-2012, 09:48 AM   #2
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Pack or don't pack. It doesn't make anyone less or more butch either way. Do whatever you want.

Exactly!!! Was waiting for someone to say that!!!!

I've been with butches that do and those that don't. Some do sometimes, others never do.

I certainly have never felt anyone was ever "more butch" than another.

IMO being butch is in the mind and heart. It is not defined with what is hanging or not hanging between someone's legs.

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Old 08-14-2012, 09:49 AM   #3
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ebon-Thanks for that. I think the attitude I presented there is why people left b-f to create this site.
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Yeah what Ebon said. Some butches pack, some don't. Just be yourself.
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Pack? I have been known to pack a lunch, pack a suitcase...........
I am a non-packer.
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Pack? I have been known to pack a lunch, pack a suitcase...........
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Oh yeah. Forgot to add. Let me know where the Butch test is being held. Thanks.
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Non packer hear,I got all the stuff but found it didnt make me anymore or less than who I already am..
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Used to soft pack.. really don't anymore, doesn't seem to have caused any problem... I'm still able to function... you know, live, laugh, love and be loved.

It's all good... xD
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Oh yeah. Forgot to add. Let me know where the Butch test is being held. Thanks.

Syr hits something for me here.

Why all the "does this make me butch/less butch/more butch" questions? Is it that hard to just be who you are? Don't compare yourself to others. Don't measure your......self against them.

Butchness, like femmeness, (while not being real words) isn't a quantifiable thing.

Can we have less talks that pivot on how butch/femme we are/aren't and more about what real community is?

I'm as femme as I need to be. My honey is as masculine as he needs to be. He suits my preferences. Everyone is not meant to be with everyone.

Be who you are and the one(s) meant to be with you will find you.

It really is that simple.
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I can't think of anyone in this forum that has "heteronormative" sex. We're all having queer, gay, lesbian sex I thought. Well that's unless you identify as straight.

I enjoy penetration and penetrating nothing about it = heteronormative
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Syr hits something for me here.

Why all the "does this make me butch/less butch/more butch" questions? Is it that hard to just be who you are? Don't compare yourself to others. Don't measure your......self against them.

Butchness, like femmeness, (while not being real words) isn't a quantifiable thing.

Can we have less talks that pivot on how butch/femme we are/aren't and more about what real community is?

I'm as femme as I need to be. My honey is as masculine as he needs to be. He suits my preferences. Everyone is not meant to be with everyone.

Be who you are and the one(s) meant to be with you will find you.

It really is that simple.
Sometimes we are hit with it when we are younger - like Rockinonahigh, I too was with someone who felt I should pack to be butch and I went through a period of packing a Mr. Softie and hard-packing because that's what I thought I was supposed to do - that's what I was being told that butch was - that a butch is supposed to pack and feel like their cock is a part of themselves. When I didnt feel that, I questioned my "butchness."

Sometimes we are hit with it on-line as well - when I see person after person after person talking about how butches are so connected to their cocks, etc, I end up feeling like an outsider looking in on a community to which I dont belong.

When I see people talking about the above - referencing all butches, etc. I think about the younger lesbians and butches (or those who might be older but just figuring things out) who might be lurking about, reading, wondering who they are and where they fit in.

That's why I post in threads like this - not to one-up anyone or put anyone down for who they are and what they do, or even to talk about who's more butch than who; but to show others that there isnt just ONE kind of butch out there - we dont all need to be male ID'd, pack, or bind - and no matter which kind of butch we are, we are all butch and none of us should ever be made to feel less than or like an outsider in our own community.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:23 PM   #12
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Cool thread...I have packed, soft and hard. I may pack again, but I don't feel that packing is essential for me. If someone thought less of me based on whether I pack or not, they aren't really someone I need in my circle of friends. I wouldn't assume a butch has to pack, or dress in men's clothing, or wear a compression shirt (and so on) to be butch.
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