2012 US General Election Discussions: Start to Finish

[AtLast]

Yes, here we go. So difficult to understand in any manner how an adult can do the kind of crap. Align with Donald Trump and not realize how assinine you look?

This is going to be a long campaign from the end of the conventions to the election. For the sake of my blood pressure, I am going to have to limit my media coverage intake. Such critical issues/difficulties going on and we get a continued dog & pony show. Plain insulted as a citizen and voter.

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

I was wondering when Mittens would go full-on Birther. I didn't think it would be until late September but here we go...

Cheers
Aj

[Toughy]

I was looking for info on how many Catholics (I was watching Bill Moyers segment on the Nuns on a Bus) were Dems or Republican and found this:

http://religions.pewforum.org/

fascinating

[AtLast]

This is fascinating. The Catholic church has lost a hella number of followers due to priest sex abuse of children. It has traditionally been pretty Democratic by party mainly due to the focus on poverty and due to where high immigration rates have come from historically.

With so much crazy political extremism being coupled with organized Christian religions, I think many people in the US outside of the bible belt regions have just had it with the hypocrisy, control and power dynamics and plain meanness of what we see today in evangelical Christianity as it bullies its way via the GOP across the nation.

Even as a past practicing Catholic, I have never felt that religion or spiritual beliefs were mean't for anything other than personal use. I even remember a time when one just did not talk about their religion outside of their church, etc. It was something you shared with those you knew at a place of worship or maybe an event or benefit sponsored by the church you attended. Of course, as a kid, I lived in a situation and locale that was not fond of Catholics or immigrants. Consequently, my feelings/experiences may not reflect much of anything other than.... my experience.

Originally Posted by Toughy

I was looking for info on how many Catholics (I was watching Bill Moyers segment on the Nuns on a Bus) were Dems or Republican and found this:

http://religions.pewforum.org/

fascinating

[homoe]

A thing that scares me is that Jeb Bush seems to be everywhere these days! We hadn't seen him since he left office as Gov of Fl. If Romney loses in 2012 will the NRP look to Jeb in 2016?

[Toughy]

Anybody watching the Republican convention.....I'm gonna try. Interesting blog in The Nation

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169595...xtraordinaire#

RNC Schedule: Tokenism Extraordinaire

Ben Adler on August 28, 2012 - 1:36 PM ET

Tampa—Most Republicans oppose affirmative action, but their national convention is the apotheosis of the practice at its most tokenistic and least substantive. Whereas Democrats and liberals support policies that are meant to actually assist disadvantaged groups as a whole and to protect them from discrimination, Republicans have no interest in women or minorities except as window dressing for their discriminatory policies. It would be insulting for them to think it will actually work. In fairness, Republicans probably know they will not actually move many African-American or Latino votes by putting a handful of non-white speakers on the dais in Tampa. Rather, it is part of Mitt Romney’s general election strategy of the ricochet pander. Like his speech at the NAACP, the purpose is not to appeal to minorities but to socially moderate white suburban swing voters who want to be reassured that pulling the lever for the GOP does not make them bigots.
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[homoe]

Yes, I am dying to see what that asinine and tackless Chris Christie has to say tonight!

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by homoe

Yes, I am dying to see what that asinine and tackless Chris Christie has to say tonight!

He's supposed to be their charismatic star? He looks and sounds like a used car salesman.

[Toughy]

I'm interested in Ann Romney.....I don't have any opinion of her so far

As for any of the white men yapping I will have to sit on my hands or I will break my TV

[Toughy]

so......if you have Current TV.........in Oakland Comcast it's channel 107.........

a whole new set of pundits who are from progressive talk radio PLUS our almost President Al Gore...

plus they are streaming tweets on different subjects around the Convention and talking about them....

I like listening to a different set of pundits........

[BullDog]

Well I understood the build up to Ann Romney was that she was going to bring the personal Mitt Romney to life. She is well spoken, but I don't feel I learned anything about him. He made her laugh and they don't brag about helping people (of course she had to tell us about it several times, lol) and she promises he will work hard. Shrug.

[tantalizingfemme]

I tried to watch it, but I had to turn it off about 2 minutes into Christie. I was proud of myself that I last that long....

The only time I saw Ann Romney show real emotion was when people were standing up and applauding her...she was in her glory... gross....

[Corkey]

I was very proud of myself and watched nothing
I have my sanity and my sunny disposition and am watching Create!
Our tv is intact!!

[BullDog]

I did just about lose it when Christie talked about education and what Republicans versus Democrats supposedly believe in. I thought his speech was mostly a commercial for himself.

I've watched other Republican conventions in years past, and the crowd at this one seems far more subdued. Maybe it's the acoustics of the building or something, but to me they just don't seem very enthusiastic.

I can't see this convention so far giving them any major boost with undecided voters, but who knows. I'm not an undecided voter.

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I did just about lose it when Christie talked about education and what Republicans versus Democrats supposedly believe in. I thought his speech was mostly a commercial for himself.

I've watched other Republican conventions in years past, and the crowd at this one seems far more subdued. Maybe it's the acoustics of the building or something, but to me they just don't seem very enthusiastic.

I can't see this convention so far giving them any major boost with undecided voters, but who knows. I'm not an undecided voter.

Last night watching Christie I was deeply and profoundly grateful that he wasn't the nominee this time out because I think he probably could beat Obama walking away. That said, I also think that the GOP seemed surprisingly subdued. There's no real enthusiasm for Romney and hating the black guy may not be enough to carry the day for them.

Cheers
Aj

[homoe]

I have to agree, Christie's speech did seem more like a commercial for himself than Romney. Even the pundits remarked how it took him like16 minutes to get around to mentioning ole Mitt's name! I liked Ann's speech well enough but don't all these political wives say just about the same thing more or less? I'll never forget Elizabeth Edwards saying what a great President her husband would make!

[homoe]

Tonight I’m curious to hear what Jeb Bush has to say!

[firegal]

Originally Posted by homoe

Tonight I’m curious to hear what Jeb Bush has to say!

God help us!

[Ravenouss]

I thought Rice was the rock star this evening. Great speech, very moving toward the ending when she spoke on "a personal note," and it made Paul Ryan sound like such an ordinary and unspiring man... (he's still speaking and I'm yawning).

[stephfromMIT]

Surprised a black, pro-choice, woman was allowed in the building, much less the podium!

[Kobi]

Originally Posted by stephfromMIT

Surprised a black, pro-choice, woman was allowed in the building, much less the podium!

Tokenism comes to mind.