Infidelity

[SuperFemme]

I can't believe you just compared the Wolverine with Hugh Grant. j

Hugh Grant:

Hugh Jackman:

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

I can't believe you just compared the Wolverine with Hugh Grant.

Eh, Hugh Grant, Hugh Jackman...same person...equally unmemorable

They're all the same and no one will remember either one of them 50 years from now...unless one of the goes crazy like Howard Hughes

I just don't care about celebrity bullshit, and I don't understand why this country cares more about gossip than actual news


Oh Wait, I'll Now Try To Fit In..."Gasp, Poor Sandy...I Just Wanna Send Her A Hug In A Basket",
Dylan

P.S. Thanks for adding the pictures tho...that really helps. I DID like the Wolverine movie. Can't name anything else he's been in tho. And I can't name one movie Hugh Grant was in.

[SuperFemme]

Deliver it in person, she has a house in your hood.

[Dylan]

Oh trust me...we know. I think it's a rule in Austin that you have to know every celebrity who owns property here.

And she's now part owner of a downtown, yuppie bakery too <eyeroll>

Just to tarnish her "America's Sweetheart" reputation for a minute, she also refused to sign autographs for disadvantaged kids one day while downtown at the courthouse


That Doesn't Sound Very Sweet,
Dylan

P.S. Sometimes, I wanna just push Lance Armstrong off his bike

[julieisafemme]

Celebrity opinions about politics, who they have sex with and whether or not they have an addiction of any kind is not my business nor is it interesting.

Politician opinions about politics, who they have sex with and whether or not they have an addiction of any kind is my business and I care about that a lot. There was a discussion on FB about do gay celebrities owe it to the community to come out? I don't think they do unless they want to. Politicians do have a responsibility to be out. If they are lying they should be outed.

Originally Posted by Dylan

Eh, Hugh Grant, Hugh Jackman...same person...equally unmemorable

They're all the same and no one will remember either one of them 50 years from now...unless one of the goes crazy like Howard Hughes

I just don't care about celebrity bullshit, and I don't understand why this country cares more about gossip than actual news


Oh Wait, I'll Now Try To Fit In..."Gasp, Poor Sandy...I Just Wanna Send Her A Hug In A Basket",
Dylan

P.S. Thanks for adding the pictures tho...that really helps. I DID like the Wolverine movie. Can't name anything else he's been in tho. And I can't name one movie Hugh Grant was in.

[BullDog]

I'm too lazy to go find the Tiger Woods thread again, but I certainly got a good chuckle over Tiger's announcement that he will be rejoining the PGA tour to play in the Masters. I should have set my egg timer on that one. That is what his public apology was about, lol.

Whether Sandra Bullock is nice or not nice, what does that have to do with whether or not she deserves to be cheated on or whether anyone should feel badly for her? What does it matter if someone is considered good looking or "plain?" No one deserves to be cheated on.

[AtLast]

My feelings boil down to this....

If you represent that you are monogamous and enter into a marriage (or relationship) as such..... don't cheat!

If you cannot be monogamous, don't make these kinds of promises. Be honest and seek relationsips with people that align with your belief structures.

And I don't have a problem with poly relationships if this is what is agreed upon. I don't date poly individuals because it just doesn't fit for me, personally. However, it does for other people.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

My feelings boil down to this....

If you represent that you are monogamous and enter into a marriage (or relationship) as such..... don't cheat!

If you cannot be monogamous, don't make these kinds of promises. Be honest and seek relationsips with people that align with your belief structures.

And I don't have a problem with poly relationships if this is what is agreed upon. I don't date poly individuals because it just doesn't fit for me, personally. However, it does for other people.

See here is the thing...

One can be in a monogamous relationship and things may change, illness or something that may cause one person to not fulfill the other.. I would think that if mah boo came to me said..

"sugar, our sex is just not cutting it for me, and well I was thinking we could open up our relationship to poly........" If I was not able to fulfill my cuddly bear I would want them to be happy yes? No sense in cheating, sometimes monogamy can't be fulfilled, *I* don't think monogamy is structured, for if it was.....

We would not have this thread....

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

See here is the thing...

One can be in a monogamous relationship and things may change, illness or something that may cause one person to not fulfill the other.. I would think that if mah boo came to me said..

"sugar, our sex is just not cutting it for me, and well I was thinking we could open up our relationship to poly........" If I was not able to fulfill my cuddly bear I would want them to be happy yes? No sense in cheating, sometimes monogamy can't be fulfilled, *I* don't think monogamy is structured, for if it was.....

We would not have this thread....

Snow said *cuddly bear*.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

See here is the thing...

One can be in a monogamous relationship and things may change, illness or something that may cause one person to not fulfill the other.. I would think that if mah boo came to me said..

"sugar, our sex is just not cutting it for me, and well I was thinking we could open up our relationship to poly........" If I was not able to fulfill my cuddly bear I would want them to be happy yes? No sense in cheating, sometimes monogamy can't be fulfilled, *I* don't think monogamy is structured, for if it was.....

We would not have this thread....

Yup, this can happen..... and if a partner wants to open it up, OK. Have to say, this wouldn't be true for me. Its about mutual agreement and I wouldn't agree to this. We would be working on our sexual relationship and go into counseling to do this.

The other thing that I need to say is that there are many ways to deal with illness and disability and sex. They are not mutually exclusive and I find this line of thinking to be part of a pervasive able-bodied privilege that exists.
Also, many of us take seriously the in sickness & health part of vows that we take. And there are many ways to be sexually fulfilled.... I would hope that sexual incompatability would have been recognized and dealt with at the beginning of a relationship.

Then, again, sex is much more than a physical experience for me.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I'm too lazy to go find the Tiger Woods thread again, but I certainly got a good chuckle over Tiger's announcement that he will be rejoining the PGA tour to play in the Masters. I should have set my egg timer on that one. That is what his public apology was about, lol.

Whether Sandra Bullock is nice or not nice, what does that have to do with whether or not she deserves to be cheated on or whether anyone should feel badly for her? What does it matter if someone is considered good looking or "plain?" No one deserves to be cheated on.

If Poor Ol' Sandy had cheated on Jesse, I highly highly doubt ANYONE would be defending Jesse and asking "OMG! How could Sandy do such a thing...she's not a REAL woman. Jesse's got sooooooo much going for him. He's hot, he's brilliant, he's a strong man blah blah blah. Sandy just needs to 'woman up', because blah blah blah"

No one would be sending Jesse a Huggie Basket

But I'd bet money on what WOULD happen.

Jesse would still be made out to be a dick who had treated Sandy badly, and DROVE her to cheat. Jesse would have driven ApplePieSandy into the arms of another man.

When a man cheats on a 'beautiful woman' (and looks are just about all a woman's whole character is based on in this country. If she's pretty, well then "she's got a million [nameless] things going for her and she's brilliant" everyone said the same thing about that Hurley chick when Hughy cheated...oh, and where's her career today?), ohhhhhh my god the whole world crashes down, and people have to ask, "How could he cheat on Sandy/Elizabeth Hurley/whothefuckever" Ahhhhhh, but when a woman cheats on her husband, we either don't hear about it at all, because it's not big news, OR (usually), the man drove her to cheat by being such a big dick. Or there were some (excusable) extenuating circumstances (Christie Brinkley, anyone?)


Double Standard,
Dylan

[Dylan]

It's those damned sheeple bracelets that make me wanna push Lance off his bike

Oh, and he dated that whiner, and all of Austin had to hear about the star couple 24/7


Can't Stand Him, And I Don't Care If He's Shooting Steroids,
Dylan

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by Dylan

It's those damned sheeple bracelets that make me wanna push Lance off his bike

Oh, and he dated that whiner, and all of Austin had to hear about the star couple 24/7


Can't Stand Him, And I Don't Care If He's Shooting Steroids,
Dylan

Yeah. Supporting Cancer Patients/Research is super fucking annoying. Live Strong, but live Quietly I always say.

[BullDog]

Dylan, I don't agree with you about the double standard. If anything women are held to a much higher standard, otherwise they are deemed to be a "slut" or worse. Oh and women do pay a very high price when they are thought to be cheating- often with their lives. See Martina's posts.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by Dylan

If Poor Ol' Sandy had cheated on Jesse, I highly highly doubt ANYONE would be defending Jesse and asking "OMG! How could Sandy do such a thing...she's not a REAL woman. Jesse's got sooooooo much going for him. He's hot, he's brilliant, he's a strong man blah blah blah. Sandy just needs to 'woman up', because blah blah blah"

No one would be sending Jesse a Huggie Basket

But I'd bet money on what WOULD happen.

Jesse would still be made out to be a dick who had treated Sandy badly, and DROVE her to cheat. Jesse would have driven ApplePieSandy into the arms of another man.

When a man cheats on a 'beautiful woman' (and looks are just about all a woman's whole character is based on in this country. If she's pretty, well then "she's got a million [nameless] things going for her and she's brilliant" everyone said the same thing about that Hurley chick when Hughy cheated...oh, and where's her career today?), ohhhhhh my god the whole world crashes down, and people have to ask, "How could he cheat on Sandy/Elizabeth Hurley/whothefuckever" Ahhhhhh, but when a woman cheats on her husband, we either don't hear about it at all, because it's not big news, OR (usually), the man drove her to cheat by being such a big dick. Or there were some (excusable) extenuating circumstances (Christie Brinkley, anyone?)


Double Standard,
Dylan

Everyone thought Leanne Rhymes was a double douche for cheating on her hubby with a married man. Nobody sent her a huggy basket.

Cheating is shitty. Regardless of gender, and I think normally men get more of a pass on it than women do.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

Everyone thought Leanne Rhymes was a double douche for cheating on her hubby with a married man. Nobody sent her a huggy basket.

Cheating is shitty. Regardless of gender, and I think normally men get more of a pass on it than women do.

I didn't even hear about this.

But I couldn't turn on the radio or television without hearing about Sandy and Tiger or Hughy

Were there text messages? Were there 'reports' of *hundreds* of men she'd cheated with? Were people suggesting she step out of her career and give up singing? Were people commenting when she put out another record (like, "Pfffft, of course she wouldn't give up her entire career for being a philanderer...told ya' so"...like they are with Tiger?)

Were her emails being posted all over the news and selling for big bucks?


Dylan

[Apocalipstic]

I do agree there is a huge double standard in perception, but people need to know that women cheat just as much.

Maybe women are sneakier?

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Dylan

If Poor Ol' Sandy had cheated on Jesse, I highly highly doubt ANYONE would be defending Jesse and asking "OMG! How could Sandy do such a thing...she's not a REAL woman. Jesse's got sooooooo much going for him. He's hot, he's brilliant, he's a strong man blah blah blah. Sandy just needs to 'woman up', because blah blah blah"

No one would be sending Jesse a Huggie Basket

But I'd bet money on what WOULD happen.

Jesse would still be made out to be a dick who had treated Sandy badly, and DROVE her to cheat. Jesse would have driven ApplePieSandy into the arms of another man.

When a man cheats on a 'beautiful woman' (and looks are just about all a woman's whole character is based on in this country. If she's pretty, well then "she's got a million [nameless] things going for her and she's brilliant" everyone said the same thing about that Hurley chick when Hughy cheated...oh, and where's her career today?), ohhhhhh my god the whole world crashes down, and people have to ask, "How could he cheat on Sandy/Elizabeth Hurley/whothefuckever" Ahhhhhh, but when a woman cheats on her husband, we either don't hear about it at all, because it's not big news, OR (usually), the man drove her to cheat by being such a big dick. Or there were some (excusable) extenuating circumstances (Christie Brinkley, anyone?)


Double Standard,
Dylan

There is a big double-standard with this going on. And now, the rumors of James (the bad boy) going into rehab/treatment.... hummmm... for sex addiction? This is the new Hollywood, rich athelete answer to cheating. I believe this addiction exists, however, the rich stars will use it as an excuse for behavior and if addicted, won't really do the work necessary to recover. I watched LKL last night and some of the same old BS about men just not being able to help themselves with sex (and the other women are always the temptress) bullshit was being spewed. Actually, the whole interview was one of the most sexist pile of horse-dung I have seen in a long time. Sexist about both men and women. Equal opportunity stereotypes abound!

Women cheat, too. And I don't believe we have accurate stats on the actual numbers because of this double standard. I am also tired of men being viewed as slaves to their penis!

Why the hell don't we talk about how we make choices for ourselves in relationships and take responsibility for when we make mistakes? Also, in the context of these celebrity situations, why people think the dynamics are within any kind of norm (term used loosly) anything like what the rtest of us experience is just nuts to me. But, it sells!!!

Anyone want to talk about the meaning of character?

[SuperFemme]

Poor poor men. In a Patriarchal society where it is the norm for men to cheat (just not get caught) it is hard to feel pity.

I don't CARE who is cheating as long as it's not on me.

I simply REFUSE to feel any pity for the (despite the diversions of double standards and blahblahblah) men.

You make your bed you lie in it. Pun intentional.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

There is a big double-standard with this going on. And now, the rumors of James (the bad boy) going into rehab/treatment.... hummmm... for sex addiction? This is the new Hollywood, rich athelete answer to cheating. I believe this addiction exists, however, the rich stars will use it as an excuse for behavior and if addicted, won't really do the work necessary to recover. I watched LKL last night and some of the same old BS about men just not being able to help themselves with sex (and the other women are always the temptress) bullshit was being spewed. Actually, the whole interview was one of the most sexist pile of horse-dung I have seen in a long time. Sexist about both men and women. Equal opportunity stereotypes abound!

Women cheat, too. And I don't believe we have accurate stats on the actual numbers because of this double standard. I am also tired of men being viewed as slaves to their penis!

Why the hell don't we talk about how we make choices for ourselves in relationships and take responsibility for when we make mistakes? Also, in the context of these celebrity situations, why people think the dynamics are within any kind of norm (term used loosly) anything like what the rtest of us experience is just nuts to me. But, it sells!!!

Anyone want to talk about the meaning of character?

What's LKL?

I thought we were talking about making choices for ourselves.

And one of *my* meanings of 'character' is not basing someone's 'worth' solely on his/her looks...especially when it comes to celebrities. It chaps my ass whenever I hear comments like, "[Sandy] didn't deserve this because she's beautiful, and brilliant, and has a million things going for her. I would have treated her sooooooooooo much better."

It chaps my ass on so many levels. The main reason being the person who usually says this about celebrities has never DEALT with the celebrity. The entirety of the comment is based on public facade and (9 times outta 10) LOOKS. So, what does that mean? Does an not-so-attractive woman 'deserve' to be cheated on? And how in the hell does anyone know what it's like to live with Sandy (for example, altho the same shit was said about Eliza Hurley). I mean, seriously, maybe she's just a hideous person to deal with. Maybe a million things. But no, she's deemed attractive, so she MUST be just a complete joy to live with.

And who said anything about feeling 'pity' for men? I said there's a double standard. NO ONE says the same thing about the men who are cheated on (i.e. "OMG, he's sooooo hot, I would treat him right, he's brilliant and has a million things going for him...blah blah blah). No, the same things aren't said. And again, it goes back to sexism, because women are just delicate little flowers who need to be taken care of and "treated right" and all that other systematic sexist bullshit.


Dylan