Hannah Free, a butch-femme movie!

[Mister Bent]

Originally Posted by bonne-maman

I went to see Hannah Free this evening, it is an independent film with a storyline that spans the lives of a butch-femme couple. It is quite a lovely movie, and stars Sharon Gless (Chris Cagney!), as the butch. The movie is especially wonderful in that it explores aging and sexuality as well as the obvious lesbian issues. Has anyone else seen it? Thoughts?

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

Hmmm, No, these sound more like the issues of a homophobe or lesbian-basher....

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

i prefer a wax seal or sceau. (it's the preferred choice when you're requesting the head of some unsavory character.)

[evolveme]

I would just like it to be known that I am always the man.

Sometimes even, The Man.

[Cyclopea]

I could never remember which one was Cagney and which was Lacy.
Guess I never watched that show much.....

Seriously though, I look forward to seeing this film- Lesbian film representations are few and far between...

[bonne-maman]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

Oh, ya know, Mr. Bender, marginalization, invisibility, not allowing lifetime lovers to visit each other right before one of them kicks the bucket. Also included, what happens when your lover marries a man and expects things not to change between you and her, what happens when you abandon her because she married the man and she does, really, feel abandoned, as do her children. And, the little things, like having the courage to kiss in the yard while raking leaves.

[Mister Bent]

Originally Posted by bonne-maman

Oh, ya know, Mr. Bender, marginalization, invisibility, not allowing lifetime lovers to visit each other right before one of them kicks the bucket. Also included, what happens when your lover marries a man and expects things not to change between you and her, what happens when you abandon her because she married the man and she does, really, feel abandoned, as do her children. And, the little things, like having the courage to kiss in the yard while raking leaves.

I made fun, but I really did want to know what you meant (which I think YOU know). Some of those are more than just lesbian issues, they are universal to the queer experience - marginalization, lack of (external) respect for the relationship and kissing while raking leaves. Kissing while having a bake sale is another, of course. Very cutting edge!

(Also, e isn't really the man, but sometimes she is The Man).

[bonne-maman]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

I made fun, but I really did want to know what you meant (which I think YOU know). Some of those are more than just lesbian issues, they are universal to the queer experience - marginalization, lack of (external) respect for the relationship and kissing while raking leaves. Kissing while having a bake sale is another, of course. Very cutting edge!

(Also, e isn't really the man, but sometimes she is The Man).

Of course I knew that you were joshing, Mr. Eureka Tent. Yes those things are universal to being queer. Can I think of anything completely specific to being lesbian in the movie????? thinking cap, thinking cap. Well, maybe not in these "modern" times (now I am sounding old), but the part about children being brought along for the ride as lesbian relationships rode the waves of heterosexual marriage interruptions has been primarily a lesbian phenomenon, as opposed to a broader queer experience. Women have historically had custody of kids as het marriages broke apart, though I KNOW that is changing. This movie was set in the 1990's, and the two lovers were very aged in the "current" scenes of the movie. Their "young" scenes went back to their childhoods and young adulthoods, and middle-agedhoods.

e da man. yes e is.

And speaking of kissing, I was dutiful and did a bit of it while at the movie. There were no leaves to rake, I had to make do.

[Rook]

Bumpety Bump

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

Probably involves which Uhaul place to rent from or who wears which pair of Birkenstocks.

[Strappie]

Originally Posted by Organicbutch

Probably involves which Uhaul place to rent from or who wears which pair of Birkenstocks.

I rest my case!!

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by Strappie

I rest my case!!

The defense rests also.

[Dylan]

Desert Hearts


Another Claire,
Dylan

And then there was some movie with Muriel Hemingway. She was a runner...who (wait for it. wait for it. wait for it) ends up with the man ('cuz you know, if one of the lesbians in the couple doesn't die at the end, they <naturally> end up with the man)

I think I just officially dated myself

[Toughy]

That was Personal Best. And of course the more feminine (Muriel Hemmingway) one would go back to men and the butch looking one was evil...........laughin....

[imperfect_cupcake]

desert hearts and Clair of the moon sucked.

This one really isn't as bad as all that. It actually covers some important same-sex topics for people who can't get married and spanning down to great grandchildren.

Sharon Gless acted well in it. the only difficulty I had was the dialogue on occation - but when I remembered it was adapted from a play, and that's why it was constructed in that way, I got over it quickly. Things can seem a bit more... theatrical... when made into a movie if the dialogue isn't adapted to the screen.

I instead thought of it like I was watching a filmed play. Then everything wasn't quite as... blockish. Theater and TV/Film are very different beasts.

But it is very far from being insipid and/or teenage.

Inki gave all thumbs forward for the portrayal of a butch by Sharon Gless.

I've seen better dyke films, but this is far from bad.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Desert Hearts


Another Claire,
Dylan

And then there was some movie with Muriel Hemingway. She was a runner...who (wait for it. wait for it. wait for it) ends up with the man ('cuz you know, if one of the lesbians in the couple doesn't die at the end, they <naturally> end up with the man)

I think I just officially dated myself

She also held his penis for him while he peed.... guess that was some intrepretation of post-lesbian intimacy... yanno, after the good fuck... it was all a phaze, anyway...
UGH!!!

What is so frustrating is that there are some very good indie films that don't get out there. Love Frameline Film Festival time here!

If these Walls Could Talk 2 (2000) - The segment on Linda during the 70's falling in love with a butch was well done in taking a look at what some of us right here did experience via separatist lesbian feminists. Linda faces her honest attraction to butch women and the segment was from a sensitive perspective. Also, it was one of three different lesbian experiences that were presented showing we are just not all the same!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206036/plotsummary

[Rook]

I agree with some Postings here..
During my time of trying to Grasp for some representation on Film .....or tv...
I pretty much pounced anything that resembled Queer or had a even a subtle theme...
2 of my first "lesbian-centric" Films were of course{get ready to cringe}
Go,Fish
&
Bar Girls..
Why I didn't stop and run off screaming mid-film is because of what Strappin says...Gotta give 'em a chance...

Go Fish, I'll admit to eventually liking...It grows on ya, well..ok..It grew on ME..
The only down on it was when Max asked Eli if she embraced the "patriarchic Mimic of butch-femme", I did boo that...but then I forgave it {it's So hard to find a movie with 2 baby butches falling in love, -smirk-}

Bar Girls only reminded me Constantly of the Intricate web of bullshit "Dyke Drama" can produce.....

Redeeming movie for me was
The Incredibly True Adventure of Two Girls in Love
I realized I had a serious weakness for a specific type in this film...
corny dialogue but I did run through memory lane in my own "puppy love" dept.

Mind u, for Serious....and I do mean serious "Cheese"..
U should watch
"But I'm a Cheerleader"

I honestly believe in the the following
"If you think u can do better, please do"
All these people tried their best with what little resources they had available on a shoestring budget...

I yearn for exquisitely performed {and happy ending} lesbian , and/or Butch-Femme {maybe butch-butch also} Films, but..until then...
~waddles off with "Better than Chocolate"~
soo, yeah, I'm gonna hunt down Hanna now...

And I Loooooved If These Walls could Talk 2

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Desert Hearts


Another Claire,
Dylan

And then there was some movie with Muriel Hemingway. She was a runner...who (wait for it. wait for it. wait for it) ends up with the man ('cuz you know, if one of the lesbians in the couple doesn't die at the end, they <naturally> end up with the man)

I think I just officially dated myself

Yeah, I remember that one. Okay, so does anyone remember "Late Bloomers" which was this little celluloid confection from, I think, the late 80s/early 90s about a gym teacher and the school secretary?

[Soon]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

Yeah, I remember that one. Okay, so does anyone remember "Late Bloomers" which was this little celluloid confection from, I think, the late 80s/early 90s about a gym teacher and the school secretary?

yep! i remember it

they got married in the end!

[NJFemmie]

Originally Posted by Mister Bent

Bonne-o-rama, please to explain "obvious lesbian issues."

What are these issues?

Does this involve: Monograms? Fanny pack selection? Which one is "the man?"

You know, I totally resent this comment. I ditched the fanny pack way back in the 80's.