Top Surgery for Butches: Have you thought about it?

Cin · 10-20-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by macele

i like Boston. i'm going to start calling you Boston. yeah, and you better answer! LOL

LOL! That's funny cause years ago when I first posted on the dash site, like 1999 I think it was, I had the nic boston butch. I wandered away and when I came back somebody else had it. I live in Canada now, but Montreal Butch just doesn't have the same ring to it. I'm thinking maybe Titty Baby.

Sorry for the derail.

TruTexan · 10-20-2013, 08:49 PM

I'm with Kobi, I don't have any issues with my breasts either. The only thing that bothers me about them at times is they tend to get in the way when I am doing things like working on my truck. LOL
But, if they get any larger from weight gain, now that would make me want to consider losing more weight or getting a size reduction to take the pain off my back, I already have back issues and don't need anymore. Otherwise, I'm alright with them.
I think Ms.Tick is a cute name for a butch woman. ....just sayin.

Jess · 10-20-2013, 11:11 PM

every.single.day.

If I had a way to afford it, they would be gone in a heartbeat....

Loren_Q · 10-21-2013, 10:24 AM

I'm small breasted, and glad for it. My size doesn't effect how I view myself, but I do think if I were larger breasted it might.

My spouse (also butch) did have issues with her breast size so opted for breast reduction surgery in the 90s. It was covered under insurance because there was a record of back and shoulder pain. The surgeon didn't have an issue going down to an A cup (from a triple D) and that's what she did.

Funny story: Spouse and I were at a conference a couple of weeks before her surgery. I knew 2 of the women there had recently gotten breast reductions and I asked if they would speak to my spouse about their experiences. So the four of us got together, the women explaining their experiences and one said "removed 5 lbs from one and 5-1/2 from the other".

I looked down at my chest thinking "Pounds of breast? 10.5 pounds removed? Crap, I bowl that weight". I've not been able to go bowling since.

Scots_On_The_Rocks · 10-21-2013, 11:00 AM

I think about it ALL the time. Sadly, finances are such that it will most likely never happen. But yeah, it'd be nice to shed these "Huge...tracts of land" (40DD).

easygoingfemme · 10-21-2013, 11:01 AM

May I chime in as (tomboy) femme?
I can certainly understand the desire for top surgery, even totally unrelated to gender identification.

I am grateful every day that I am very small up top. I never need to wear more than an undershirt and that's to keep warm. If I was larger I would certainly want them off/reduced greatly. It would be uncomfortable to me physically and emotionally.

Joness · 10-21-2013, 12:16 PM

Hi Folks,

I have just read through every single one of the replies to this thread. Just wanted to say thank you so much to both Miss Tick for posting and everyone who responded. All so very interesting and informative.

I am considering Top Surgery but for lack of anyone around here to talk to about it and no one who has experience of it, my internal dialogue consists of:

'this is what I want, why am I not doing it??'
'I don't belong IN a body that has breasts . . . I belong ON a body that has breasts . . .'
'I don't want to alienate myself from the female community completely, but, I do want a flat chest'

Argh . . . anyways, loving being part of the BFP community - feeling less isolated :-) thank you :-)

easygoingfemme · 10-21-2013, 01:33 PM

Sidebar question I have pondered with my partner:
If a female identified person has top surgery, can they legally walk around topless? Because that would be *awesome*.

DapperButch · 10-21-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by easygoingfemme

Sidebar question I have pondered with my partner:
If a female identified person has top surgery, can they legally walk around topless? Because that would be *awesome*.

I don't know what our lawbooks say, but cultural norms would suggest, yes.

I think it is the chest, not the identity that determines these things. Our society equals male chest with male, I think. I think the typical observer would assume the person to be male, regardless as their other secondary sex characteristics. We are so programmed to the gender binary when it comes to breasts and genitals.

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If it is based on male versus female, it would come down to the person's legal gender marker. I believe that most States (not all), will allow a gender marker change after top surgery. Standard practice is for the top surgery surgeon to give you a letter saying that you should be deemed male due to having top surgery. One takes that letter to court.

But, lets say the "law" about being topless in your county is based on your sex. Picture the transitioning FTM, full beard, top surgery completed, on the topless beach, but hasn't gone to court yet for the gender marker change. If it is based on sex, then it would be just as illegal for him to be topless as the full-breasted, cisgendered female sitting next to him. Crazy, huh?

Jar · 10-21-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DapperButch

I don't know what our lawbooks say, but cultural norms would suggest, yes.

I think it is the chest, not the identity that determines these things.

That's a good question. I've seen some men that have some boobs going on and they're running around topless. I guess the shock factor is based on the perceived gender

DapperButch · 10-21-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DapperButch

Picture the transitioning FTM, full beard, top surgery completed, on the topless beach, but hasn't gone to court yet for the gender marker change. If it is based on sex, then it would be just as illegal for him to be topless as the full-breasted, cisgendered female sitting next to him. Crazy, huh?

Sorry, I meant on a NON topless beach.

apollo · 02-01-2017, 08:04 PM

i've definitely considered top surgery. since i've only been butch a short amount of time i don't have binders or boxers and whatnot, and i haven't talked about with my doctor about hormones let alone surgery lol. i've done some looking into it and from what i've found getting the surgery is not easy (i'm not sure what i was expecting, it's surgery after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). it's expensive if your insurance doesn't cover it (in the realm of 10k), the larger your breasts are the more sensation you'll lose (i have DD's lmao), and i think you need a letter from a doctor saying you're not having a nervous breakdown and spontaneously chopping your tits off. that being said i look forward to the possibility of being flat chested

Lyte · 04-01-2017, 11:01 PM

It's on my "... if ever I have more money than I know what to do with... " list. It would be primarily for a comfort sort of thing not really gender related. Hell, even with tits I get called Sir. Iol.

JDeere · 04-02-2017, 06:15 PM

I've considered a reduction but not complete top surgery. It's expensive on my end due to no insurance and I might not survive another surgery, long story on that. But yeah I've hated mine since I was a young kid.

DapperButch · 04-02-2017, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JDeere

I've considered a reduction but not complete top surgery. It's expensive on my end due to no insurance and I might not survive another surgery, long story on that. But yeah I've hated mine since I was a young kid.

You can get Obamacare, just like everyone else. Although your State has chosen to not do their own exchanges ( because Rick Perry wants you all to continue to be the state with the highest uninsured rate in the country), you can still get insurance (even though it is going to cost you more because...well Rick Perry), through the federal exchanges.

http://obamacarefacts.com/insurance-...ance-exchange/

If you meet the criteria for reduction, insurance will pay for it.

Since the state of Texas is anti trans, Texas does not require insurance companies to provide trans services (so yes, would have to pay out of pocket for top surgery, most likely).

JDeere · 04-02-2017, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DapperButch

You can get Obamacare, just like everyone else. Although your State has chosen to not do their own exchanges ( because Rick Perry wants you all to continue to be the state with the highest uninsured rate in the country), you can still get insurance (even though it is going to cost you more because...well Rick Perry), through the federal exchanges.

http://obamacarefacts.com/insurance-...ance-exchange/

If you meet the criteria for reduction, insurance will pay for it.

Since the state of Texas is anti trans, Texas does not require insurance companies to provide trans services (so yes, would have to pay out of pocket for top surgery, most likely).

Yes it will cost me out of pocket, quite a pretty penny for anything I need done. I can't afford insurance of any kind right now. So I'm just stuck.

ClintB · 04-08-2017, 10:17 PM

This thread is 90 percent of the reason I joined BFP.

I have never accepted my chest. I always promised myself, if I ever lost the weight (I'm heavy) my "reward" would be to get rid of them. The thing is though I always felt I was weird that even though I wanted a flat chest in public, I wanted a female chest naked... like an a cup. I figure then with a sports bra they will virtually not be there. I even think it may be worth doing now, but I've heard that if you're plus sized the doctor will want you to lose weight first. Plus an ex GF said with my build (she was being kind) I would look rediculous with a cups. I know she may get some flack for that, but I can't help but think she was kinda just stating the facts. The other part of me is getting less and less interested in staying attractive and more interested in being comfortable with myself.

Binders...I wear sometimes, but when you're a DD they reshape and that's about it, there is no way to make it appear that there aren't breasts there. I actually wear a sports bra with a binder over it, because those bastards just reposition themselves where ever they want without the bra on. The will fall plum out the bottom of shorter binders.

Has anyone had a. Reduction that is overweight? I've met trainmen with full reconstruction that looks fine... but would tiny a cups on an overweight female body look rediculous?

10-20-2013, 08:49 PM	#2
TruTexan Senior Member How Do You Identify?: lesbian butch Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: in a one horse town in a large state, in the U.S. Posts: 3,952 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6,112 Thanked 5,266 Times in 1,633 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	I'm with Kobi, I don't have any issues with my breasts either. The only thing that bothers me about them at times is they tend to get in the way when I am doing things like working on my truck. LOL But, if they get any larger from weight gain, now that would make me want to consider losing more weight or getting a size reduction to take the pain off my back, I already have back issues and don't need anymore. Otherwise, I'm alright with them. I think Ms.Tick is a cute name for a butch woman. ....just sayin. __________________

10-21-2013, 10:24 AM	#4
Loren_Q Member How Do You Identify?: Loren. If you want to know about me, just ask. Preferred Pronoun?: She/her, but I'm not that picky. Relationship Status: it's complicated... Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 115 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 73 Thanked 573 Times in 108 Posts Rep Power: 4035343	I'm small breasted, and glad for it. My size doesn't effect how I view myself, but I do think if I were larger breasted it might. My spouse (also butch) did have issues with her breast size so opted for breast reduction surgery in the 90s. It was covered under insurance because there was a record of back and shoulder pain. The surgeon didn't have an issue going down to an A cup (from a triple D) and that's what she did. Funny story: Spouse and I were at a conference a couple of weeks before her surgery. I knew 2 of the women there had recently gotten breast reductions and I asked if they would speak to my spouse about their experiences. So the four of us got together, the women explaining their experiences and one said "removed 5 lbs from one and 5-1/2 from the other". I looked down at my chest thinking "Pounds of breast? 10.5 pounds removed? Crap, I bowl that weight". I've not been able to go bowling since. __________________ Loren "Everything in the world is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power." Oscar Wilde

10-21-2013, 11:00 AM	#5
Scots_On_The_Rocks Member How Do You Identify?: Genderqueer Butch Preferred Pronoun?: They, them, theirs Relationship Status: Owned by a few cats, Loved by one woman, and Looked up to by one child. Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: 47° 15' 31.4208'' N, 122° 27' 57.5028'' W Posts: 759 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 364 Thanked 1,092 Times in 386 Posts Rep Power: 19759003	I think about it ALL the time. Sadly, finances are such that it will most likely never happen. But yeah, it'd be nice to shed these "Huge...tracts of land" (40DD). __________________ Know that The Universe made you in perfection. And know that there are people out there who recognize this. -Me "Without passion man is a mere latent force and possibility, like the flint which awaits the shock of the iron before it can give forth its spark." ~ Henri Frederic Amiel

10-21-2013, 12:16 PM	#7
Joness Member How Do You Identify?: Boi Butch Preferred Pronoun?: Boi He His Him Sir Handsome Son Brother Tom Relationship Status: Single Join Date: May 2013 Location: Scotland Posts: 134 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 576 Thanked 198 Times in 41 Posts Rep Power: 2367915	Tops Hi Folks, I have just read through every single one of the replies to this thread. Just wanted to say thank you so much to both Miss Tick for posting and everyone who responded. All so very interesting and informative. I am considering Top Surgery but for lack of anyone around here to talk to about it and no one who has experience of it, my internal dialogue consists of: 'this is what I want, why am I not doing it??' 'I don't belong IN a body that has breasts . . . I belong ON a body that has breasts . . .' 'I don't want to alienate myself from the female community completely, but, I do want a flat chest' Argh . . . anyways, loving being part of the BFP community - feeling less isolated :-) thank you :-)

10-20-2013, 11:11 PM	#3
Jess Timed Out - Permanent How Do You Identify?: decidedly indifferent Preferred Pronoun?: other Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Patrick Springs, VA Posts: 2,812 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,247 Thanked 5,700 Times in 1,682 Posts Rep Power: 0	every.single.day. If I had a way to afford it, they would be gone in a heartbeat....

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easygoingfemme Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Lil' Miss Sassy Pants Preferred Pronoun?: She/her Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: My place by the river Posts: 3,692 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 7,023 Thanked 14,975 Times in 3,318 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	May I chime in as (tomboy) femme? I can certainly understand the desire for top surgery, even totally unrelated to gender identification. I am grateful every day that I am very small up top. I never need to wear more than an undershirt and that's to keep warm. If I was larger I would certainly want them off/reduced greatly. It would be uncomfortable to me physically and emotionally.

10-21-2013, 01:33 PM	#8
easygoingfemme Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Lil' Miss Sassy Pants Preferred Pronoun?: She/her Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: My place by the river Posts: 3,692 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 7,023 Thanked 14,975 Times in 3,318 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	Sidebar question I have pondered with my partner: If a female identified person has top surgery, can they legally walk around topless? Because that would be awesome.

04-01-2017, 11:01 PM	#13
Lyte Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Preferred Pronoun?: Meh... I'm not very particular about this. Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: The south... bleh! Posts: 1,744 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 5,316 Thanked 5,113 Times in 1,504 Posts Rep Power: 21474847	It's on my "... if ever I have more money than I know what to do with... " list. It would be primarily for a comfort sort of thing not really gender related. Hell, even with tits I get called Sir. Iol.

04-02-2017, 06:15 PM	#14
JDeere Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Transgender Preferred Pronoun?: He/him/his Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 17,752 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 31,018 Thanked 28,833 Times in 9,708 Posts Rep Power: 21474865	I've considered a reduction but not complete top surgery. It's expensive on my end due to no insurance and I might not survive another surgery, long story on that. But yeah I've hated mine since I was a young kid.

04-08-2017, 10:17 PM	#17
ClintB Junior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch, questioning Preferred Pronoun?: Interested in your opinion Relationship Status: Downtrodden Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Traveler Posts: 68 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6 Thanked 255 Times in 65 Posts Rep Power: 2362244	This thread is 90 percent of the reason I joined BFP. I have never accepted my chest. I always promised myself, if I ever lost the weight (I'm heavy) my "reward" would be to get rid of them. The thing is though I always felt I was weird that even though I wanted a flat chest in public, I wanted a female chest naked... like an a cup. I figure then with a sports bra they will virtually not be there. I even think it may be worth doing now, but I've heard that if you're plus sized the doctor will want you to lose weight first. Plus an ex GF said with my build (she was being kind) I would look rediculous with a cups. I know she may get some flack for that, but I can't help but think she was kinda just stating the facts. The other part of me is getting less and less interested in staying attractive and more interested in being comfortable with myself. Binders...I wear sometimes, but when you're a DD they reshape and that's about it, there is no way to make it appear that there aren't breasts there. I actually wear a sports bra with a binder over it, because those bastards just reposition themselves where ever they want without the bra on. The will fall plum out the bottom of shorter binders. Has anyone had a. Reduction that is overweight? I've met trainmen with full reconstruction that looks fine... but would tiny a cups on an overweight female body look rediculous?