The RuPaul Drag T*Word Controversy

[anaisninja]

My personal opinion is that if the person using the word is a member of that group, then they get to decide whether or not it's appropriate to use it. Especially if the group has been historically oppressed or marginalized. Tim Wise gave a good statement about a similar word below. I will never use the T-word, but I would never begrudge RuPaul her right to use it.

However, as an overweight Canadian female of Irish descent, I reserve the right to call myself a "fat Canuck Mick bitch" whenever it seems appropriate.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by anaisninja

My personal opinion is that if the person using the word is a member of that group, then they get to decide whether or not it's appropriate to use it. Especially if the group has been historically oppressed or marginalized. Tim Wise gave a good statement about a similar word below. I will never use the T-word, but I would never begrudge RuPaul her right to use it.

RuPaul is a drag queen, not a trans person.

[Aryon]

I feel this way ... Tr**ny may be a word many hear used with distaste and in a derogatory manner ... but I seem to remember back in the days before and after I came out in 1969 that Dyke was used in a way to upset, antagonize, belittle, berate ... I could go on and on, really.

I see nothing wrong with the use of a noun/adjective by people who mean it justly, rather than condescending or derogatorily. I frequently use the word Dyke in place of Lesbian to describe myself and take no offence (even if it is meant) when called one.

My two pennies worth ...

Regards,

Aryon

[anaisninja]

Originally Posted by Martina

RuPaul is a drag queen, not a trans person.

In that case, *He* shouldn't have used the term.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by anaisninja

In that case, *He* shouldn't have used the term.

RuPaul accepts the use of both male and female pronouns. I always refer to people in drag as the gender they are presenting. RuPaul usually presents herself to the public in drag, so I refer to her using female pronouns. As a drag queen, RuPaul is more than entitled to use female pronouns. It's part of the tradition, part of lgbtq history.

RuPaul, as far as I know, is a cisgender gay man, and I agree with you and with Dapper than she should not be using the word "tranny."

I looked up the she-male/mail thing, and I guess the show actually used the term "she-male" as well. I think that is a term no one should use. I can't even imagine transwomen using it among themselves in a friendly inoffensive way. There would always be a barb to it. I just thought it was funny when the phrase "You've got she-mail" was used. But I guess they used the regular version in another context on the show. No. Don't think they should do that.

[imperfect_cupcake]

So if someone is bigendered and not transsexual, they aren't transgendered? I thought transgendered was all kinds of rainbow. Has the meaning changed again? The "drag queens" I knew all considered themselves bigendered. Having two genders that don't display as congruent to their societal norm sex.
This is not transgendered anymore? Is transexual the only transgendered meaning in the US?

[stargazingboi]

Originally Posted by honeybarbara

So if someone is bigendered and not transsexual, they aren't transgendered? I thought transgendered was all kinds of rainbow. Has the meaning changed again? The "drag queens" I knew all considered themselves bigendered. Having two genders that don't display as congruent to their societal norm sex.
This is not transgendered anymore? Is transexual the only transgendered meaning in the US?

No Honeybarbara, I'm here in the US and tend to follow the medical definition of the word. I do this mainly because of my vocational back ground and the fact I, myself, happen to be TG. That being said...and as we have witnessed on this site, there are many interpretations of words.


Webster Dictionary - Medical terminology

Transgender - of, relating to, or being a person who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that differs from the one which corresponds to the person's sex at birth

Transexual - A person who strongly identifies with the opposite gender and who chooses to live as a member of the opposite gender or to become one by surgery.


So, when I think about it a transexual fall under both terms, but a person who is TG does not always fall under the term transexual. Now, when looking at the definition of Drag Queen ...it does not fall under either term listed above. A Drag Queen or Drag King is a person that dresses as the opposite sex for entertainment


Now regarding the actual subject at hand...I am still unsure how I want to word my feelings about the subject and will return to express it later.

[imperfect_cupcake]

I know people in the uk who both ID as a drag queen and a drag king and it it part of their bigenderism. And although some of them perform, they'd be pretty suprised to find out that one of their genders is only for entertainment value.

I don't agree with that, even slightly. But I don't understand a lot of labeling in the US...

To me tg is not ts. Two different things. But they seem to have both become tg in mainstream press.

And even that definition from Miriam Webster screws up sex and gender.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by honeybarbara

they aren't transgendered? I thought transgendered was all kinds of rainbow.

Duck! She used the word "transgendered."

Pet peeve of mine -- the meaningless debate over what is wrong with transgenderED and why transgender is better.

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