How about butch and butch?

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by candy_coated_bitch

There's definitely butches and trans guys who like other butches and trans guys. I've known a number of couples over the years.

I think sometimes we get stereotypes in our community about sex and attractions and who butches and femmes are--but as individuals we are all much more complicated, of course.

If exploring something with another masculine ID'd person is something you want, I am sure you can find someone open to it.

Yes, I would venture that say in looking at my combined experience with early 20 something FTMs professionally and personally (internet and in person) at this moment, there is a HUGE amount of FTMs who date cis males. Of course, you see them dating other FTMs, but I see a lot of young FTMs in the cis gay men's community or who are married cis males while they were living as females. It is really interesting. I seriously would say the majority of the early 20's FTMs that I currently interact with are coupled with cis males or only date cis/trans males.

Sorry, I suppose I am getting off track...CCB'S statements about trans guys dating other masculine identified individuals got my brain going (but I was talking FTMs specifically)

Butch on butch? Honestly, I only know a couple of Butches IRL, so my experience with butches is only on butch/femme sites. I would venture that in general the younger population are more open to dating more than one gender identities.

[imperfect_cupcake]

It depends on your demographic. For example, on b-f sites, it won't be a very fruitful place to look, but I'm sure (in fact I know) there are a smattering.

try facebook if there is no local group.

for example https://www.facebook.com/groups/butch2butch/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Butch...65825846769286

if you are kinky try fet life, there are groups for butch-butch and for trans-butch and cismen-butch. I did belong to a "butch women admirers" on fet life, but eventually I realised it was for CIS dudes into butch women, mostly, so I left the space to them.

But fetlife is another good angle as well.

similarly, try google plus, craiglist for more groups or events and OK cupid for those who like butches or "masculine energy" or "masculine vibe queers" etc.

You could always put an add up here somewhere.... though I suppose you just did

good luck.

[EnderD_503]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

Yes, I would venture that say in looking at my combined experience with early 20 something FTMs professionally and personally (internet and in person) at this moment, there is a HUGE amount of FTMs who date cis males. Of course, you see them dating other FTMs, but I see a lot of young FTMs in the cis gay men's community or who are married cis males while they were living as females. It is really interesting. I seriously would say the majority of the early 20's FTMs that I currently interact with are coupled with cis males or only date cis/trans males.

Have to agree there. I know a ton of transguys who mainly date gay cismen or other gay transguys. For some it's situational in that they identify as pansexual or bisexual and used to mainly date women but after transitioning might not feel as accepted in the lesbian/queer women community. I notice that especially with more feminine identifying transguys who find that queer women are no longer as interested in them once they start identifying as more feminine/twink-y men.

On the subject of butch on butch though, have been noticing a lot of cute butch/butch couples around here lately I've never really been interested in dating butches myself or at least haven't encountered a butch that I was interested in dating. But that isn't to say I haven't found some butches attractive. There's a local drag king here who I think is pretty hot and my partner occasionally teases me (not in a negative way, just to be clear) for crushing on them at shows lol