It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

I think it was a tad easier prior to around 2005 ( or there abouts) when they stopped using SSN as your DLN. DLN are now issued that aren't SSN. It was about this same time that proof of ID became more detailed. At least, in my state.

I've had my DL since I was 16 years old, my SSN has never been in any state my DL #. Proof of ID became harder after 911, for obvious reasons. SSN numbers aren't supposed to be use for anything more than a tracking number for social security and the IRS. This is where our identity rights get muddled. For years now, medical, background checks and other forms now require your SSN. Your SSN is supposed to remain confidential, much like your mothers maiden name at banks and credit unions. Just makes identity theft all the more risky.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Corkey

I've had my DL since I was 16 years old, my SSN has never been in any state my DL #. Proof of ID became harder after 911, for obvious reasons. SSN numbers aren't supposed to be use for anything more than a tracking number for social security and the IRS. This is where our identity rights get muddled. For years now, medical, background checks and other forms now require your SSN. Your SSN is supposed to remain confidential, much like your mothers maiden name at banks and credit unions. Just makes identity theft all the more risky.

Right. This is why I think VA along with the other states who used to use it changed their practices.

[suebee]

Interviewer: "Is the new law in Arizona racist?"

Guest: "Not if you're the right race."


A side note: As much as I disagree with this law, for anyone living in Arizona: a simple and inexpensive way to protect yourself by carrying the proper identification is to obtain a passport card. Unlike a passport, the passport card fits in your wallet like any other piece of I.D., and costs much less than a passport.

[Bit]

Originally Posted by Hack

I'd be interested in knowing if law enforcement groups endorsed this new law or were they opposed to it?

Cowboy Hitler Arpaio is certainly in favor of it.

Originally Posted by cybersuebee

A side note: As much as I disagree with this law, for anyone living in Arizona: a simple and inexpensive way to protect yourself by carrying the proper identification is to obtain a passport card. Unlike a passport, the passport card fits in your wallet like any other piece of I.D., and costs much less than a passport.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Sue, but that just isn't true. NOTHING will protect Arizonans who have the wrong skin color or last name---nothing. They will be racially profiled just as they have been for the past century.

The only difference is that now it's legal, so the profiling will step up several notches.

I don't remember now who it was that said Arpaio's run as sherrif is done, but be CAREFUL what you ask for. He could be the next governor. Any state that could elect Evan Meacham could EASILY elect a rhinestone cowboy who says he'll make everyone "safe." He keeps getting re-elected as sheriff because the people who bother to vote believe him, so yanno... he's in your future unless a pretty huge group of people gets it together and votes him out.

[Martina]

i read the Linda Greenhouse piece. Thank you, Medusa. i kinda like the idea of everyone who wants to protest the law wearing a button that says, "i may be illegal."

Do you think people are going to expect police to stop folks randomly? If that starts, there are going to be some violent encounters -- and for what?

That was interesting -- in the article -- about how little stood between this country educating students who aren't citizens and not. So many of my students are not citizens. One of my seniors who isn't a citizen is going to graduate with a diploma this JUne. This is a Special Ed kid -- from Richmond. His brother got senselessly murdered earlier in the year. Not the easiest life. AND he has a learning disability. And guess what? He's graduating. AND he will become an auto mechanic. We should be grateful that he's here. How many of us could have lived his life and done all the has done so far even?

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[The_Lady_Snow]

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[suebee]

Sorry to burst your bubble, Sue, but that just isn't true. NOTHING will protect Arizonans who have the wrong skin color or last name---nothing. They will be racially profiled just as they have been for the past century.

The only difference is that now it's legal, so the profiling will step up several notches.


No bubble to burst Cath. Just sharing some info that might prevent someone being taken to a immigration detention centre if they ARE stopped.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by cybersuebee

Sorry to burst your bubble, Sue, but that just isn't true. NOTHING will protect Arizonans who have the wrong skin color or last name---nothing. They will be racially profiled just as they have been for the past century.

The only difference is that now it's legal, so the profiling will step up several notches.


No bubble to burst Cath. Just sharing some info that might prevent someone being taken to a immigration detention centre if they ARE stopped.

Yes, you can take your papers with you everywhere and be stopped for them all the time. But what if it were you and every time you left the house you had to get your papers checked...sounds like North Korea or East Germany (the DDR).

[suebee]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Yes, you can take your papers with you everywhere and be stopped for them all the time. But what if it were you and every time you left the house you had to get your papers checked...sounds like North Korea or East Germany (the DDR).

Apocalipstic, I have to take my papers with me every time I leave the house. My community is made of of two towns, divided by the international border between the States and Canada. I have an I.D. card issued by U.S Homeland Security that I carry with me all the time. It's just something you get used to, like having your driver's licence or bus pass with you when you leave the house.

My post was an FYI - maybe it will help someone - I don't know. The problem of course is profiling. And that's just more racist shit. It's unrealistic for ANYONE to think that this law can be be applied WITHOUT profiling, it's probably a law that will be found illegal in and of itself (unreasonable search and seizure), and it is most certainly the backlash of the privileged majority feeling that the status quo is in danger.

I hesitate to say this, because I don't want it to be taken in the wrong way, but I think the time has come where the right of the people to "govern themselves" in the States has come around to bite the people in the ass. Although there is equality entrenched in the U.S. constitution, it's never become a reality in real life, and the privileged few have found a myriad of ways to turn their power against those who they consider a minority or undesirable. Equality is only for those who can afford it. I doubt the founding fathers could have imagined how their principles would be misused in the 21st century.

Respectfully,

Sue