Obama's Health Care Overhaul: Your Opinions

[key]

Originally Posted by Jess

Perhaps first by not talking about them as if they aren't here. Or talking in a language someone w/o your same skill ( vocabulary) set may not understand.

What I, as a reader, just witnessed in your above post was beyond rude.

"key you are an ass hole"..... ~Casey35

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to not correspond directly to people who call me an asshole.

And excuse me, but you are assuming that Casey did not understand what I was writing? Darling, I am a high school drop out, my vocabulary is not *that* advanced. Who exactly is being condescending to who?

Casey has been asked very direct very simple questions to which she has refused to answer. Instead she resorts to name calling. There is no point for me to address her directly anymore. But I do not believe that she is the only one with her fears and freak outs (mostly due to conservative media's Misinformation and Propaganda Machine). I would like to learn how to talk to people like her.

So what is your suggestion for when someone calls you an asshole and refuses to answer simple questions about their beliefs and opinions?

[Jess]

Originally Posted by key

"key you are an ass hole"..... ~Casey35

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer to not correspond directly to people who call me an asshole.

And excuse me, but you are assuming that Casey did not understand what I was writing? Darling, I am a high school drop out, my vocabulary is not *that* advanced. Who exactly is being condescending to who?

Casey has been asked very direct very simple questions to which she has refused to answer. Instead she resorts to name calling. There is no point for me to address her directly anymore. But I do not believe that she is the only one with her fears and freak outs (mostly due to conservative media's Misinformation and Propaganda Machine). I would like to learn how to talk to people like her.

So what is your suggestion for when someone calls you an asshole and refuses to answer simple questions about their beliefs and opinions?

To be honest key, after she said she had left the conversation, I would have dropped it. I try when I can to help people see things from perhaps a different point of view than their own frame of reference. Sometimes I don't execute it very well. At some point I just give up, especially after someone has either made an afront to me or asked me to disengage. I will respect that.

We all have relatives or neighbors or someone we know who we argue with about just about anything political. Sometimes it feels like pulling your hair out trying to get them to hear what you are saying. It hurts and can be exasperating to continue to try to make someone "hear" something other than what is firmly implanted in their head.

I truly do believe you were trying your best to engage. I have seen nothing from you that would suggest otherwise. I don't think the name calling toward you was deserved. That kinda tosses anyones argument out the window in my opinion and at least for me, closes that door of communication.

I get called lovely names for attempting to try to help some folks see something different. It can enrage me. It can hurt. What it cannot do is force my hand or my mind to do anything other than keep trying. I eventually learn that some folks will just never see anything or any point of view other than their own. My best option is to continue trying elsewhere.

The energy you have put into this discussion tells me you do care. My own investment in conversations that are important to me can sometimes feel very sad. I try like hell to see all sides and it is really difficult when engaging with others who can't. I try add helpful items, but ya know, sometimes they are overlooked or dismissed and all that is focused on is the negative counterproductive position of folks stuck in their own frame of reference.

Anyway, don't give up being open minded. I know you are and appreciate it a lot. Sometimes ya just got know when to fold 'em.

As far as this law goes, I have consulted an atty and have found out what legally I need to do to protect my home so I can now join the ranks of those who cannot afford care and use the resources available to get help. I still do not understand why politicians make things so much more difficult than the simple common sense book keeping procedures they should be. But hey, they would all be out of work if they actually made things make sense.

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by Jess

I still do not understand why politicians make things so much more difficult than the simple common sense book keeping procedures they should be.

2 words - corporate donations

[AtLast]

Thinking that only reasonable people can recognize reason. Or even their life's experiences. Doesn't matter what level of education they have at all. Neither of my parents were educated in terms of formal schooling. Yet, they both had the capacity to listen to other people's views.

The health-Care Reform measures haven't even been fully implemented and won't be for a few years. Time will tell us if these measure work well for the many. I am hopeful even though I don't think the bill does enough to knock down the real culprits behind increased costs- the private health-care companies. There is no way that they can continue to make profits of more than 400% and costs be decreased.

I don't have a problem with businesses making a profit, but not over 400% and executives raking in multi-million dollar bonuses with people being denied needed health-care!

Looking at this along with the arrogance of the Wall Street bandits now appearing before Congress, I see no other way but government intervention to protect consumers. And the fact of the matter is that I come from a multi-generational small business family. There is a big difference between private businesses in which there exists honesty and honor in making a fair profit and not screwing people.

[key]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

2 words - corporate donations

Do you know about www.youstreet.org ?

For a measly $6 a year from every voting age citizen we could publicly fund every Federal Election. NO corporate donations at all.

Of course we have to hand count every paper ballot (instead of outsourcing our votes to private companies).

But once these two item are in place

(heck throw in instant run off voting - so make it 3, oh yeah and repeal Citizen United - 4 - God these Cons have screwed us but good)

Then

maybe then

We the People will have our country back.

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by key

Do you know about www.youstreet.org ?

For a measly $6 a year from every voting age citizen we could publicly fund every Federal Election. NO corporate donations at all.

I'd like to see every election in this country, right down to dog catcher, publicly funded. The millions of dollars that Meg Whitman is wasting in CA right now is beyond disgusting.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

I'd like to see every election in this country, right down to dog catcher, publicly funded. The millions of dollars that Meg Whitman is wasting in CA right now is beyond disgusting.

Absolutely! Every US election! And I'd like to see the US do what other contries do... LIMIT campaigning time! One month, period! We live in a constant state of campaigning in the US and this is one of the top reasons nothing gets done! It is what so much of the deadlock in Congress is about..... and I thik this goes on with both major parties.

Yes, Whitman appears to buying her way right into office!

Actually, I am always discusted about the sums of money spent on political campains. To say it lights, it is a pet peeve of mine!

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

I'd like to see every election in this country, right down to dog catcher, publicly funded. The millions of dollars that Meg Whitman is wasting in CA right now is beyond disgusting.

I don't even like Steve Poizner and Meg Whitman's ad was so offensive to me that I would never cast a vote for her. Even for dog catcher. Especially for dog catcher.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

2 words - corporate donations

two more words.. very true

[Jet]

jus' checkin' to see how the thread is going. some constructive opinions and good food for thought i hope.

bye
j

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Jet

jus' checkin' to see how the thread is going. some constructive opinions and good food for thought i hope.

bye
j

I'm curious. This is your third post on this subject and the only one that wasn't a copy-paste of some article somewhere. We know what you think other people think about this bill, what we still don't know is what *you* think about this bill. Pardon me for quibbling about this but I’m far less interested in what you think of the articles written about the bill (clearly you think they are well-written) than I am in what *you* think about the bill. So if it's not too much of an imposition, would you mind telling us what you think about the bill in your own words and why you think that, in your own words? Thanks in advance.

Cheers
Aj

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by BornBronson

Obama's health care bill,I don't like it.That is all.

I really don't either to be honest, I think we should have a single payer system.

The new Health Care Bill falls wayyyyyyyyyyy short of where I think it should be and I am very disappointed.

Yes, I understand that a lot of politic-ing had to happen to get what we got, but I wish somehow more could have been done. Way way more.

Yes, I understand that some people are too proud to accept help from the rest of us.

Bottom line though, I believe it is our right to have health-care and know that health-care is provided for EVERYONE in the USA.

I am fine with paying extra taxes to help this happen.

[Jet]

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

I'm curious. This is your third post on this subject and the only one that wasn't a copy-paste of some article somewhere. We know what you think other people think about this bill, what we still don't know is what *you* think about this bill. Pardon me for quibbling about this but I’m far less interested in what you think of the articles written about the bill (clearly you think they are well-written) than I am in what *you* think about the bill. So if it's not too much of an imposition, would you mind telling us what you think about the bill in your own words and why you think that, in your own words? Thanks in advance.

Cheers
Aj

Hi dreadgeek,

I posted the articles as updated information from the news on the days they were released. I started the thread because there seems to be much concern over the health care overhaul and yet, I didn't see or find any thread on this subject. So I thought I would start this thread so that people could express their opinions. I happened to see the first article that i posted and thought it might be a good way to start the thread.

This thread is for the benefit of members who might want open dialogue or to just express their opinions. This thread is NOT for my benefit. I'm unsubscribed and have no desire to express any opinion. I just happened to notice there was a lot of posting so I thought I would drop and read some of the posts.