Pillow Princess

[job]

I personally would like to be with a feminine woman who is a little more active. Not that I don't like the women I'm typically with, who seem to just hold on and make all the right noises...or only move around when I ask them to. I like that, too. A lot actually. But, it'd be nice to, every now and then, experience a woman who does use her hands/mouth with a little more "gusto". Show me how much you want it, cause I'm narcissistic like that when it comes to sex. (Being honest here, not cocky.) But, I'm not saying try to top me, cause then we'd just be two naked people rasslin' on a bed and that'd just look silly.

(Disclaimer: no offense to people who participate in naked wrestling matches on beds.)

[Angeltoes]

It's frustrating because I'm a quiet person, so I tend to attract timid people, but I don't like that in a partner. Despite being quiet I have a strong personality and I need to be with someone who is also strong or it's not going to work. I would slowly end up bossing them around and never having sex with them...lol. Then eventually I would sorry be for mistreating them and we'd end up being just friends. All I meant to say was that if someone is scared just because I'm moving around, then it definitely would not work for me.

I was just kidding before about laughing at them. I wouldn't laugh, but it would be awkward, not sexy.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Angeltoes

Oops you're right it's wrath not revenge. It still would be offensive to Muslim person. It seems like an unnecessary jab.

No, I'm not stone. I can understand taking it slow because I'm pretty shy myself. But if I can't move around without scaring my partner, then I'd rather not bother trying to have sex.

I didn't even think about a Muslim connection. I know a handful of Aishas (with no Muslim connection), so I originally thought of a jilted lover scenario for the screen name.

It has nothing to do with 'taking things slow'. Being Stone can be similar to knowing a secret language that most don't. If you're not Stone, it's likely that you don't 'hear' what's being said.

A lot....not all but a lot....of Stone butches don't like to be touched in certain ways and areas, especially in the chest and genital region. A lot.....not all but a lot....of lesbians and femmes that are not Stone or a pillow princess expect a 'you do me, I do you' kind of mirroring game that involves touching in the chest and genital region. (Most) Stones don't play that game, although some might play a variation of it.

What you are hearing is not what's being said. What's being said is not what you're hearing.

Originally Posted by job

(Disclaimer: no offense to people who participate in naked wrestling matches on beds.)

This cracked me up.

[Angeltoes]

You're right, I definitely do not know what goes on between a stone butch and stone femme, because I've never been with a stone. However, I wasn't responding to that unless you're saying that stone femmes have to be still or the stone butch will get freaked out. I don't think that's true, because other stone butches in this thread said otherwise. When I talked about 'taking it slow,' it's not that I didn't hear or understand that Aisha is a stone, it's that I don't care. I wasn't talking about them and their preference, I was talking about my preference.


I'm not sure what you mean by mirroring or playing a game. I kind of resent that comment. Lesbian sex is as real to lesbians as your sex is to you.

Of course I respect boundaries and would never want to touch someone in a way that bothered them, but at the same time, I'm eventually going to lose interest if all I do is lay there and get done. I don't see a future in that for me. Yes, I know stone's think differently, but there's more than one perspective in this thread.

[imperfect_cupcake]

By non-threatening people mean, someone isn't trying to penetrate you when you don't want it, or trying to convince you to be penetrated and that all lesbians need like like fingers in their bits.

I've been with stone lovers who *get* femmes trying to do that to them all the bloody time. It can feel threatening.

I can be incredibly languid if it's wanted. I have had partners who loved to fuck me while I was asleep (and I love that. I gave preconsent for it) and role payed kidnapping where I've been chloroformed and can't make a peep or move (waaaaaayyyyyy harder than it sounds) and it's very hot. I love bondage and being immobilized so I can't struggle, turns me way on.

So, there are peppers to everyone's salt. And just cause something doesn't suit you or gives you the oogies doesn't mean there aren't people out there who will like it. I like being used by my partner, sexually, to be super blunt. That's what turns me hella on the absolute most. And however they'd like to use me, usually turns my crank. I'm all about them reaching their bonna so if that's by me being trussed up like a turkey and immobile or by being "made" to come 14 times whether I "like it or not" (consensual non-consent... but I just can't seem to stop coming for them, please stop making me cum, please, please etc), or by being the naked beer girl durning a game that sucks them off every time their team scores... Whatever. I'm that.

So I really am a fuck dolly. Most of that is a pillow princess in that I'm am actively and submissively receiving something into an orifice somewhere. They get to tell me how that happens.

Sorry for being so blunt/graphic but I feel things get misunderstood when it's all polite and vague and I'm not really one for mystery anyway. Whether I'm pretending to be unconscious or I'm actively jerking them off with my boobs because they told me do be waiting naked on the floor just inside the door when they get in, it doesn't matter to me.

I personally get on with stones and non-stones alike because of this being my sexuality.

Happy to be an utterly lazy, pet femme shag princess or an active submissive working hard at getting her boss off the way she is told to.

It suits stones and non-stones alike, so long as they like being the boss of it.

So can we cut the stuff about how somethings are naff if they don't suit someone else?

[Angeltoes]

That sounds really hot cupcake, but again, I understand what the fear is about. What I'm saying is that it wouldn't work for me. My comment was simple, really. I don't need to keep hearing 'oh but you don't understand how stone butches are' because I'm not a stone butch and my comment was about my preference not theirs.

This is all hypothetical anyway. I haven't been sexual with anyone in so long. I'm ready to start adopting cats and be done.

[job]

I also want to add that I don't get too into labels. I call myself butch because I've always called myself butch. But, if not wanting to be penetrated or not having someone touching my chest junk means I'm "stone", then I am most definitely stone.
So, when I mentioned using hands/mouth, and I sooo can't believe I forgot "boobs", with a little more gusto, I meant it in the perfect way that imperfect cupcake said, "actively jerking them off with my boobs"....(sigh)....yeah, that kind of "gusto".

[imperfect_cupcake]

I misunderstand then, angel toes. You sounded like you were having a go at someone because of the words "feeling threatened".
If you were just saying " oh, I can't understand that in a personal sense, but have at it, whatever floats your boat"
I didn't read that clearly. But thanks for clarifying that was what you meant after all.

[Angeltoes]

The only jab I took at them was when I said I would laugh and scare them on purpose. I took back the part about laughing. The scaring part I meant like 'boo' not grabbing them...

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by imperfect_cupcake

By non-threatening people mean, someone isn't trying to penetrate you when you don't want it, or trying to convince you to be penetrated and that all lesbians need like like fingers in their bits.

I've been with stone lovers who *get* femmes trying to do that to them all the bloody time. It can feel threatening.

I can be incredibly languid if it's wanted. I have had partners who loved to fuck me while I was asleep (and I love that. I gave preconsent for it) and role payed kidnapping where I've been chloroformed and can't make a peep or move (waaaaaayyyyyy harder than it sounds) and it's very hot. I love bondage and being immobilized so I can't struggle, turns me way on.

So, there are peppers to everyone's salt. And just cause something doesn't suit you or gives you the oogies doesn't mean there aren't people out there who will like it. I like being used by my partner, sexually, to be super blunt. That's what turns me hella on the absolute most. And however they'd like to use me, usually turns my crank. I'm all about them reaching their bonna so if that's by me being trussed up like a turkey and immobile or by being "made" to come 14 times whether I "like it or not" (consensual non-consent... but I just can't seem to stop coming for them, please stop making me cum, please, please etc), or by being the naked beer girl durning a game that sucks them off every time their team scores... Whatever. I'm that.

So I really am a fuck dolly. Most of that is a pillow princess in that I'm am actively and submissively receiving something into an orifice somewhere. They get to tell me how that happens.

Sorry for being so blunt/graphic but I feel things get misunderstood when it's all polite and vague and I'm not really one for mystery anyway. Whether I'm pretending to be unconscious or I'm actively jerking them off with my boobs because they told me do be waiting naked on the floor just inside the door when they get in, it doesn't matter to me.

I personally get on with stones and non-stones alike because of this being my sexuality.

Happy to be an utterly lazy, pet femme shag princess or an active submissive working hard at getting her boss off the way she is told to.

It suits stones and non-stones alike, so long as they like being the boss of it.

So can we cut the stuff about how somethings are naff if they don't suit someone else?

As always, you cut right to the middle.

And you gave me a new idea for later.......

[Nattih]

I wonder if stones who prefer this type of relationship are simply much less common with millenials. It's like I keep trying to understand a forgein language. I am enjoying everyone's banter.

[imperfect_cupcake]

I dunno. I'm 46 and some of my sex buddy partners have been in their early 30s and LOVE what I am. It's a sexuality, like any other kind of sexuality. They usually have never had anyone who "gets" them before and I'm their first. I don't call them stones. I don't use terminology like that. We just discuss what's ok or not ok for touching with them. Most the ones I meet in that age bracket understand themselves as female bodied but not women. They mostly haven't talked about it much at all, or they call themselves genderqueer.

They are usually new to bdsm and/or new to the acceptance of having a cock in their mind.

They are also really confused why someone with my expereince would want to be with someone with very little expereince in that way. Personally, I don't find expereince makes much difference either way. We either have chemistry or we don't. If they are enthusiastic and have desire, then they pick it up very quickly. I have to learn them too.

I'm not old school, and I don't care if people use labels or IDs or not. A rose by any other name still smells the same. Not all of my partners have ID'd. But to my own personal definition they were butch. Didn't matter to me that they didn't use the ID. To them butch meant something with a lot of rules around presenting a certain way or behaving a certain way. They didn't want those rules. I get it. I don't agree, but I totally get it.

[MsTinkerbelly]

Originally Posted by Nattih

I wonder if stones who prefer this type of relationship are simply much less common with millenials. It's like I keep trying to understand a forgein language. I am enjoying everyone's banter.

From my own personal *me* experience (I'm 54), stone is often there with some people, long before they even know what it means. They spend years wondering what is "wrong" with them, knowing that their partners want to give them pleasure by touching them as maybe they were touched...and either not allowing it and hurting their partners, or subjecting themselves to something they find unpleasant just to please their lover.

Ms. Cupcake is right; if you are going to have sex with someone you should be having some sort of discussion beforehand about what you like, and what you don't. It saves soooooo much heartache later.

My first stone didn't know what to call it, didn't know how to tell me what areas were off limits....it was an unpleasant experience for us both. If we had discussed those things ahead of time, it would have led to a much better first time with a woman for me! Good thing I am tenacious! Lol

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by Nattih

I wonder if stones who prefer this type of relationship are simply much less common with millenials. It's like I keep trying to understand a forgein language. I am enjoying everyone's banter.

Stone butches get all of their pleasure from pleasing their partners. It is like a mental orgasm. I am completely sated after my partner orgasms. It is as if I had one myself.

I disagree that it is less common with younger people. People are born Stone, not made. It is not like all of a sudden this type of sexuality stopped existing.

I think there are a number of people who are Stone, but think there is something wrong with them, so they just "put up" with touch they don't want. They think they are being "bad partners", if they don't. It is possible that the millenials just haven't "come out" yet, as Stone...they are still in the process of fighting with themselves over it.

Or, as Titsalina (cupcake), said, they just don't call themselves Stone. I'm sure many have never even heard of the word, or think there is no one else like them. That certainly was me at some point. It wasn't until I found another butch/femme site and learned that there were others like me and what the name was for my type of sexuality.