"Butch" and "Femme" - Truly Antiquated Terms or More Marginalization?

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Arwen

Thanks but I have read and actually enjoyed most of your posts. I am sorry if you found my words as "ugly accusations and personal attacks." They were not meant to be at all. I simply wanted to give you an opportunity to reread your post that I was referring too.

Simply restating your point over and over is not discussion to me.

I repeated my point over and over because my actual point was very simple. It was not about how sex defines orientation, or certainly not what non-lesbians should call themselves, or any of the other issues raised by non-lesbians in response. And yes, I am getting a bit frazzled feeling forced to reiterate my simple point.

[Arwen]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

I repeated my point over and over because my actual point was very simple. It was not about how sex defines orientation, or certainly not what non-lesbians should call themselves, or any of the other issues raised by non-lesbians in response. And yes, I am getting a bit frazzled feeling forced to reiterate my simple point.

I do understand getting frazzled, Cyclopea. Maybe if you take a step back, you will find a fresh way to approach it. I don't know about you, but I find that hammering the same nail with the same hammer only ruins the board.

I am not trying to attack you. I am simply trying to find out if there is room in that definition of "female homosexual" for a woman who is not a heterosexual but not, in my heart anyway, a "true" lesbian.

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Arwen

I do understand getting frazzled, Cyclopea. Maybe if you take a step back, you will find a fresh way to approach it. I don't know about you, but I find that hammering the same nail with the same hammer only ruins the board.

I am not trying to attack you. I am simply trying to find out if there is room in that definition of "female homosexual" for a woman who is not a heterosexual but not, in my heart anyway, a "true" lesbian.

I'm sure you're right. I tried to step out of the thread earlier but people kept posting completely unrelated (and loaded) responses to my simple linguistic point.
And some read all sorts of "anti" stuff into it that I don't feel at all.
And that whole thing of wanting people to ID as lesbian/female homosexual who weren't- that certainly didn't come from me! I appreciate our allies! Just as they are!