Do Businesses Have the Right to Refuse Service Based on Moral/Religious Objections?

[DomnNC]

I have already answered that question. We have laws in our Civil Rights Bill that states you cannot refuse to sell as you said a black person a hamburger, we have all those rights for minorities (except LGBT) as far as public services go, restaurants, hotels, etcetcetc.

Again, the question was and I don't care if ya'll say 100 times that you were referring to LGBT people or not. The question was does a business owner have the right to refuse a service based upon his/her moral or religious belief?. I stated two perfect examples of providing a service to someone who *I* would object on MY moral compass to provide those services to regardless if they were indeed a minority themselves! If we had a law where a business owner could NOT object to provide service based upon his/her moral/religious beliefs then YES I would have to provide those services in those two instances. That's what I'm saying and no one can seem to comprehend that!

And no suebee, that is NOT the question, no where in that question does it say discriminate against. The question, hell I'm not going to repeat the question again because it has been sidetracked backwards and forwards. If you want to say Does a business owner have the right to discriminate against anyone based on his/her moral/religious beliefs then ask that! Don't ask does a business owner have the right to refuse service based upon his/her moral or religious beliefs! It's TWO entirely separate questions!!

Apparently 62% of the people taking this poll believe as I do that they should have the right to do so!

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

[B]I have already answered that question. We have laws in our Civil Rights Bill that states you cannot refuse to sell as you said a black person a hamburger, we have all those rights for minorities (except LGBT) as far as public services go, restaurants, hotels, etcetcetc.

No, you did not answer my question. My question was not "does such a law exist" because clearly I already know that the law exists. I want to know if you genuinely believe that the existing laws to protect people are fucking over business owners and if extending those same protections to the LGBT community would fuck business owners over even more. THAT is the question that I asked. I asked it several times, in fact.

Again, the question was and I don't care if ya'll say 100 times that you were referring to LGBT people or not. The question was does a business owner have the right to refuse a service based upon his/her moral or religious belief?.

I'm sorry that you don't care what Soon's intent was. She has made it clear that she wanted to know if it's okay for a business owner to refuse to serve someone from a minority group simply BECAUSE they are a member of said minority group. You don't want to talk about that, that's fine.

I stated two perfect examples of providing a service to someone who *I* would object on MY moral compass to provide those services to regardless if they were indeed a minority themselves! If we had a law where a business owner could NOT object to provide service based upon his/her moral/religious beliefs then YES I would have to provide those services in those two instances. That's what I'm saying and no one can seem to comprehend that!

And nobody disagreed with you. I think that, as a business owner, if someone is asking you to do something shitty that you are free to refuse. I comprehended what you said just fine and dandy, thank you.

And no suebee, that is NOT the question, no where in that question does it say discriminate against.

If a business owner refuses to serve someone just because that person is gay, or Black, or a Hindu, or using a wheelchair - THAT is discrimination.

The question, hell I'm not going to repeat the question again because it has been sidetracked backwards and forwards. If you want to say Does a business owner have the right to discriminate against anyone based on his/her moral/religious beliefs then ask that! Don't ask does a business owner have the right to refuse service based upon his/her moral or religious beliefs! It's TWO entirely separate questions!!

I'm sorry that Soon has let you down by not asking the question correctly. She has since clarified what she meant (several times, might I add). Since you know now what she meant, maybe you can stop typing all those exclamation points about how she did it wrong. Okay?

Apparently 62% of the people taking this poll believe as I do that they should have the right to do so!

OMG Might Makes Right!!!!!

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Let's make one thing clear, no, I do not advocate a person being denied a service based solely on the fact that they are LGBT and whatever other letters you want to toss behind that.

Try pg 4.

The rest of your reply with the attitude, you may keep it. I'm not going to engage with you in that.

I agreed that the business owner should have the right of refusal (however in this instance she was wrong to do it because there is a law where she resides that states she cannot), I have stated that as well. If there was a law where I lived I'd respect that law, however there is not.

I do believe Howsoon also made a post after her original one that said no gang-piling if you agree with the business owner. I am not the only one who has agreed that business owners should have the choice to refuse service, did you miss those posts or is there some reason that you keep coming back to me and aren't challenging their decision to want to have the same right?

Perhaps you can better utilize your need for condescension and snark elsewhere. Have a good night, chuckles.

[BullDog]

Unfortunately, Americans tend to value individual rights over equal protection, and if there is any question they think they are not going to get to do what they want they will side with individual rights. I am not ever going to refuse to provide services to someone based on their sex, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity or religion. I may refuse service to someone who is acting like an asshole or wants me to contribute to one of their activities that is harmful or hateful. There's a huge difference there.

If you run a business that caters to the public you don't just get to do whatever you want. If everyone got to do that, no one would pay taxes, adhere to safety and environmental regulations, have the proper business licenses, pay fair wages, etc. When you are in business- no you don't get to do whatever the hell you want.

[suebee]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I have already answered that question. We have laws in our Civil Rights Bill that states you cannot refuse to sell as you said a black person a hamburger, we have all those rights for minorities (except LGBT) as far as public services go, restaurants, hotels, etcetcetc.

Again, the question was and I don't care if ya'll say 100 times that you were referring to LGBT people or not. The question was does a business owner have the right to refuse a service based upon his/her moral or religious belief?. I stated two perfect examples of providing a service to someone who *I* would object on MY moral compass to provide those services to regardless if they were indeed a minority themselves! If we had a law where a business owner could NOT object to provide service based upon his/her moral/religious beliefs then YES I would have to provide those services in those two instances. That's what I'm saying and no one can seem to comprehend that!

And no suebee, that is NOT the question, no where in that question does it say discriminate against. The question, hell I'm not going to repeat the question again because it has been sidetracked backwards and forwards. If you want to say Does a business owner have the right to discriminate against anyone based on his/her moral/religious beliefs then ask that! Don't ask does a business owner have the right to refuse service based upon his/her moral or religious beliefs! It's TWO entirely separate questions!!

Apparently 62% of the people taking this poll believe as I do that they should have the right to do so!

Okay. Under what circumstance should a business owner have the right to refuse service to clients/customers? On religious grounds? Should certain minority groups be protected, or does the business have the right to pick and choose who they serve and for what purpose? Here in Canada we have laws in regards to discrimination and hate speech and crimes. Would that work in the U.S. and why or why not?

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by suebee

Okay. Under what circumstance should a business owner have the right to refuse service to clients/customers? On religious grounds? Should certain minority groups be protected, or does the business have the right to pick and choose who they serve and for what purpose? Here in Canada we have laws in regards to discrimination and hate speech and crimes. Would that work in the U.S. and why or why not?

I gave 2 or 3 examples already. I'll not waste my breath going over them again. Have a good night as well.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Try pg 4.

The rest of your reply with the attitude, you may keep it. I'm not going to engage with you in that.

I agreed that the business owner should have the right of refusal (however in this instance she was wrong to do it because there is a law where she resides that states she cannot), I have stated that as well. If there was a law where I lived I'd respect that law, however there is not.

I do believe Howsoon also made a post after her original one that said no gang-piling if you agree with the business owner. I am not the only one who has agreed that business owners should have the choice to refuse service, did you miss those posts or is there some reason that you keep coming back to me and aren't challenging their decision to want to have the same right?

Perhaps you can better utilize your need for condescension and snark elsewhere. Have a good night, chuckles.

Actually it's your way of interacting (I feel like you are trying to bully us ladies with all of your exclamation points and claims that "nobody" is able to "comprehend" what you are saying) that has me responding to you.

For example:

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I gave 2 or 3 examples already. I'll not waste my breath going over them again. Have a good night as well.

"I'll not waste my breath going over them again." Friendly!

[Miss Scarlett]

If under the law "Business owner A" is forced to do business with "Customer B" based upon (insert your own scenario), conversely the law should force "Customer B" to patronize the establishment of "Business owner A" based upon the opposite of (insert your own scenario).

If we want everyone treated equally we have to accept the sweet with the sour. Anything else would be lopsided and discriminatory.